Proposal description
Dash DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition card – FREE exclusive payment card for MNO’s - READ FULLY BEFORE VOTING NOT TO MISS OUT ON THIS AND FURTHER BENEFITS!
Get an exclusive international payments card - for free!
A world 1st with Dash DAO and Kuva – each and every YES vote on this proposal, if funded (for the Phase One part of the project, which is the first 3 months), will be shipped an exclusive and limited, one-run only Dash DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition international payment card, FOR FREE AND DELIVERED TO YOUR DOORSTEP! This is done in return for funding from the Dash DAO to help us integrate payment cards into the Kuvacash wallet.
Android - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kuvacash.kuva
iOS - https://apps.apple.com/tt/app/kuvacash/id1514354130
The DAO Founders' Exclusive Edition card is an advanced international multicurrency payments card for your Kuvacash wallet, that allows you to spend your masternode earnings at over 49 Million businesses worldwide!
*Strictly limited to the first 1100 ‘YES’ votes on this proposal. Please consider carefully and read the below including further benefits to you before casting your vote.
Kuvacash is also available now - check out the most advanced and feature-rich Dash-supporting HD wallet in the world with a beautiful UI and wallet experience for users;
Kuvacash Specifications
Know that your money is protected with Secure Element encryption (Kuvacash is unique in that it will check if your device supports TEE/SE or StrongBox), and as Kuvacash is an HD wallet, you are the sole person in control of your keys at all times. If at any time you are not satisfied with Kuva’s wallet or service, simply recover your wallet on any other BIP39 compatible wallet (for example, Coinomi) – no need to even make a transaction to get your Dash and BTC out, you have the keys and we don't because it's a non-custodial wallet. Your keys, your money.
$10,000 of KUVA Utils will be distributed to YES voting MNO's - the cryptocurrency that powers Kuva's kNET
In addition to this, 10,000 KUVA Utils, now worth over $10,000.00 - the cryptocurrency that powers Kuva’s kNET - will be distributed to all YES voters, on a per-vote basis as was done successfully with Kuva's kDAO. We want to give YOU, the MNO supporters of Kuva and this card initiative a part of the entire project that you originally voted to fund and that you will be using to make your card payments, adding value to both Dash and Kuva! Grow your crypto wealth as we grow with you!
Excess DAO funds sent to MNO's for 12 months if you so wish (on a per-month basis, and subject to Phase 2 proposal months passing)
Why waste precious Dash? In Phase 2 the Founders’ card project is designed to soak up excess unallocated DAO funds and distribute them to masternodes voting YES on this Dash Dao Cards proposal, ready to spend using their Kuvacash DAO Exclusive Founders’ card. Whenever MNO's vote for treasury funds to be generated by our Phase 2 proposal, we give it all back to MNO's as free money to spend using the Founders' Card. The ‘infinity’ on the card symbolizes this feature.
Get as many cards as you have Masternodes!
MNO’s with multiple masternodes can allocate cards to their friends or have multiple cards for themselves if they wish – one exclusive card per masternode! You would sign the phone number registered with the Kuvacash wallet you wish to use (or you wish to provide a card credit for) with an MN key that was used to cast a ‘YES’ vote, and you may then order the exclusive MNO DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition international payment card FOR FREE, DELIVERED TO YOU OR THEM. Fully integrated into the Kuvacash HD Wallet
The MNO DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition card will be fully integrated into Kuvacash.
You can spend your masternode earnings and DAO distributions or your Dash or BTC. Accepted anywhere in the world at over 49 Million retailers. Send your MN earnings directly into your wallet, and top up your MNO DAO Founders card with just a touch in the Kuvacash wallet.
Other important notes - Two-Phase project
This project is in two phases. Phase 1 is essential for Cards delivery, Phase 2 is optional, and only provides a way for MNO’s to recover unused funding from the DAO to spend on their cards. It will commence on the 4th month of the proposal and is therefore subject to MNO voting - more control for MNOs, more control for you about where YOUR money goes.
All funds in Phase 2 will be 100% distributed to MNO DAO Founders’ Cards – this will continue as and when the Phase 2 proposal is funded.
As an example, if we raise $50k per month at month 4, gaining 700 yes votes and the proposal passing, and you had a single Masternode, it would result in approximately $70 (in current Dash pricing) added onto your own card AT NO COST TO YOU OR THE NETWORK for that month and indeed every month, until the proposal period finished, or the Phase 2 proposal is defunded. If there are unallocated treasury funds, rather than have this Dash burned, this is the way we can ensure Dash is fairly distributed to the Masternodes – as it is they who are taking risk by hodling their collateral to keep Dash services running. The final month of our proposal is an optional Phase Two test - if MNO's don't want this, they can defund it immediately - this has no effect on the operation or delivery of the DAO Founders' Exclusive card.
About the 1st Issue DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition Card1
What about the USA?
Why BTC is also supported
As the biggest digital currency in the world, with the most liquidity by a very large margin - Bitcoin is the go-to for most people before they discover other currencies. Ask anyone "have you heard of Bitcoin?". Most people who use digital currencies will also come across BTC, or will fund with BTC as an intermediate settlement, so it's right there in the wallet for you to use if you need it.
How does this help financial inclusion in Africa?
Initializing this fully integrated card program means we can provide inclusive financial services to multiple African countries, including card programs for our initial strategic sub-Saharan core;
Zimbabwe
South Africa
Rwanda
Uganda
Botswana
Users of Kuvacash can fund the wallet with Dash, BTC or can top up with cash locally
A great way to expose local people to digital currencies in a way that is directly useful to them.
A specific program will be launched for these countries, involving pre-purchase and batch ordering and distribution of Payment Cards.
Only Dash, BTC and USDk are provided in the wallet as a trading currency and users are able to top-up their cards in the wallet immediately.
Timeline and funding for Card Program
It will take us 4 months of time to perform the integration (including funding cycles), for which we require a budget of c.$150,000 USD over the first 3 months (captured as $50k per month, 3 months). We will distribute Phase 2 funds to cardholders as we collect the funds from the proposal, (if MNO’s wish to continue to fund it - totally optional). This allows no wastage/burning of superblock-assigned DASH on the DAO.
Funds from this phase are all 100% distributed directly back to holders of the MNO DAO Exclusive Founders’ card, so they may spend directly on their cards. This process can be fully audited by Dashwatch in as much detail as is required, including the audit of allocations to voters.
Kuva State of Play – October 2020
If you haven't seen the wallet demonstration, don't let the naysayers convince you that this is anything but one of the finest and feature-rich blockchain wallets in the world, built to be simple yet powerful and where we are adding new, simple but powerful features continually - bridging digital currency with the current services of global finance;
Full Continuous Dashwatch Attestation and Audit across entire timeline
While we remain funded by this Phase 1 proposal, and the Phase 2 Proposals following, we agree to full open-book attestation and audit by Dashwatch as to all our expenses and distributions in the Cards project from this proposal. As serious Dash community members may know, we set the standard from 2018 for reporting and audit by Dashwatch and Kuva now have a perfect 100% track record of financial and delivery/milestone audits by Dashwatch including full in-person open-book attestations that are currently over and above what was performed for every other project in the history of the DAO, including DCG! Historic Kuvacash Dashwatch reports are all available here:
Main video interviews here:
Recent State of Play video with James Saruchera and Drako of KuvacashA perfect record of Dashwatch Attestations
As can be seen from our audit/attestation record from Dashwatch, and from our recent update we deliver what we say we will deliver. You will have complete assurance and visibility on a month-to-month basis and may pull our funding at any time if you feel this is not the case. We will only require the full 3 months of funding for the cards program to be implemented and delivered to your doorstep for free. The final month and the second phase is optional, and will only be posted as a proposal if Phase 1 is funded. 100% of funds from Phase 2 are allocated to recharging your DAO Founders' Exclusive payment cards. If the OPTIONAL Phase 2 of our funding is at some point defunded (the MNO DAO Founder card top-ups from remainder DAO funds), then this will not affect any part of our full delivery of the first phase, all MNO’s that voted YES will receive their exclusive MNO DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition cards to their doorstep. From there, you may top-up your card using the Kuvacash Wallet. Any time that the proposal goes into funding, we will distribute funds as above and be subject to Dashwatch audit.
Note from James, CEO of Kuva
Dear Dash MNO's,
We at Kuva are still supporting Dash and still GIVING BACK TO THE MNO’s WHO SUPPORT US. It’s time for something you can show your friends and others in the crypto community AND ACTUALLY USE ON A DAILY BASIS, INTERNATIONALLY!
You can show your friends the Power of the DAO, that with Dash’s Distributed Autonomous Organisation you played a part of creating something physical and useful this time, the Dash DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition payment card, an exclusive international card which is a means of payment in over 49 million businesses worldwide.
We have delivered everything we said we would, and more - watch our demo and understand the impact of our incredible Kuvacash Wallet of the Future. The Kuva Card Program, including the Dash DAO Founders’ card and its integration into the Kuvacash wallet will contribute greatly to the wider Dash ecosystem, so let us deliver this beautiful and exclusive, limited edition card right to your doorstep for you to use!
Respectfully,
James Saruchera
CEO
Kuva.com
Note from Drako - stepping back
Dear Dash MNO's,
It has become difficult to justify the engagment on Dash forums that are hosted by (and heavily censored by) the very people that my activist campaigning was intending to rid the DAO of in 2017-2019.
Thankfully the very proposals that we criticised and attempted to defund are all but completely gone now, but the ongoing personal defamation in Dash forums and the attempted discrediting of the Kuva project continues.
The thing to do is to look at the data. Our actual Dashwatch 100% track record of audit and attestation. Download the Kuvacash wallet. Look at all the Dashwatch reports. Watch our interviews. Read this article. You can even check out our comprehensive demo of the Kuvacash app and without listening to the voices of those who were involved in valueless proposals and hold grudges because I tried to defund them and they became upset. Really make your own mind up as to what is good about Dash, and how Kuva truly adds tremendous value to the Dash ecosystem.
When I started with Dash and worked with Ryan Taylor to get it on the radar, we were at #4 on CMC. Dash is now out of the top #30. This is for all the reasons that me and many others had pushed to make change to avoid the 'Fall of Dash'. Indeed, winter inevitably came and it will be a hard road uphill, much innovation in the Dash platform is needed - and it's coming very late in the game.
I'm keen to help out but for now I've done what I can, I'll be taking a step back to work on the project itself, and James Saruchera our CEO will be the primary liaison for DAO Cards albiet on this account. That said, free to PM me on Discord, I'll always make time to speak with anyone passionate about the Dash project and what we're doing behind the scenes.
Thank you once again to my supporters and friends from within Dash - we have a world first here with James' proposal, and a world-class team to make it happen for you, so let's do this.
Respectfully,
Drako
Kuvacash Co-Founder
Get an exclusive international payments card - for free!
A world 1st with Dash DAO and Kuva – each and every YES vote on this proposal, if funded (for the Phase One part of the project, which is the first 3 months), will be shipped an exclusive and limited, one-run only Dash DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition international payment card, FOR FREE AND DELIVERED TO YOUR DOORSTEP! This is done in return for funding from the Dash DAO to help us integrate payment cards into the Kuvacash wallet.
Android - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kuvacash.kuva
iOS - https://apps.apple.com/tt/app/kuvacash/id1514354130
The DAO Founders' Exclusive Edition card is an advanced international multicurrency payments card for your Kuvacash wallet, that allows you to spend your masternode earnings at over 49 Million businesses worldwide!
*Strictly limited to the first 1100 ‘YES’ votes on this proposal. Please consider carefully and read the below including further benefits to you before casting your vote.
Kuvacash is also available now - check out the most advanced and feature-rich Dash-supporting HD wallet in the world with a beautiful UI and wallet experience for users;
Kuvacash Specifications
- Non-Custodial HD Wallet with Kuva Skylock (13th word protection) - your keys, your money.
- Full native Dash support, with Instantsend - load Dash directly into your wallet by scanning a QR code using any other wallet
- Native BTC support - load BTC directly into your wallet by scanning a QR code using any other wallet
- Integrated USDk active stablecoin (1:1 to USD, free and instant transactions)
- Bank-based fiat ramp (top-up) for supported jurisdictions
- Pay-to-phone number functionality
- Kuva contact discovery and one-touch payments (with contacts remaining on your phone only)
- International bank payments and payment status support
- Pay in 35 currencies to over 130 countries with interbank rates and low fees
- Agent-based Cash-out (selected jurisdictions)
- Agent-based Cash topup (selected jurisdictions)
- Transfer between digital assets seamlessly
- Integrated PoS (Instant Paycode)
- Universal Pay QR scanner - scan standard QR codes and pay to any BTC or Dash wallet
- Manage KUVA kNET Masternodes and rewards directly in-wallet (with integrated Masternode service)
- Direct in-app customer support
- Available on iOS and Android
Know that your money is protected with Secure Element encryption (Kuvacash is unique in that it will check if your device supports TEE/SE or StrongBox), and as Kuvacash is an HD wallet, you are the sole person in control of your keys at all times. If at any time you are not satisfied with Kuva’s wallet or service, simply recover your wallet on any other BIP39 compatible wallet (for example, Coinomi) – no need to even make a transaction to get your Dash and BTC out, you have the keys and we don't because it's a non-custodial wallet. Your keys, your money.
$10,000 of KUVA Utils will be distributed to YES voting MNO's - the cryptocurrency that powers Kuva's kNET
In addition to this, 10,000 KUVA Utils, now worth over $10,000.00 - the cryptocurrency that powers Kuva’s kNET - will be distributed to all YES voters, on a per-vote basis as was done successfully with Kuva's kDAO. We want to give YOU, the MNO supporters of Kuva and this card initiative a part of the entire project that you originally voted to fund and that you will be using to make your card payments, adding value to both Dash and Kuva! Grow your crypto wealth as we grow with you!
Excess DAO funds sent to MNO's for 12 months if you so wish (on a per-month basis, and subject to Phase 2 proposal months passing)
Why waste precious Dash? In Phase 2 the Founders’ card project is designed to soak up excess unallocated DAO funds and distribute them to masternodes voting YES on this Dash Dao Cards proposal, ready to spend using their Kuvacash DAO Exclusive Founders’ card. Whenever MNO's vote for treasury funds to be generated by our Phase 2 proposal, we give it all back to MNO's as free money to spend using the Founders' Card. The ‘infinity’ on the card symbolizes this feature.
Get as many cards as you have Masternodes!
MNO’s with multiple masternodes can allocate cards to their friends or have multiple cards for themselves if they wish – one exclusive card per masternode! You would sign the phone number registered with the Kuvacash wallet you wish to use (or you wish to provide a card credit for) with an MN key that was used to cast a ‘YES’ vote, and you may then order the exclusive MNO DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition international payment card FOR FREE, DELIVERED TO YOU OR THEM. Fully integrated into the Kuvacash HD Wallet
The MNO DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition card will be fully integrated into Kuvacash.
You can spend your masternode earnings and DAO distributions or your Dash or BTC. Accepted anywhere in the world at over 49 Million retailers. Send your MN earnings directly into your wallet, and top up your MNO DAO Founders card with just a touch in the Kuvacash wallet.
Other important notes - Two-Phase project
This project is in two phases. Phase 1 is essential for Cards delivery, Phase 2 is optional, and only provides a way for MNO’s to recover unused funding from the DAO to spend on their cards. It will commence on the 4th month of the proposal and is therefore subject to MNO voting - more control for MNOs, more control for you about where YOUR money goes.
All funds in Phase 2 will be 100% distributed to MNO DAO Founders’ Cards – this will continue as and when the Phase 2 proposal is funded.
- Initial 3-month funding for cards including full integration with issuing bank, processor, backoffice and Kuvacash iOS and Android wallets
- A one-month test of Phase 2, and if it is funded, a new proposal will be posted with 12 months of (optional) DAO allocations to be used to top up MNO Founders’ Cards.
As an example, if we raise $50k per month at month 4, gaining 700 yes votes and the proposal passing, and you had a single Masternode, it would result in approximately $70 (in current Dash pricing) added onto your own card AT NO COST TO YOU OR THE NETWORK for that month and indeed every month, until the proposal period finished, or the Phase 2 proposal is defunded. If there are unallocated treasury funds, rather than have this Dash burned, this is the way we can ensure Dash is fairly distributed to the Masternodes – as it is they who are taking risk by hodling their collateral to keep Dash services running. The final month of our proposal is an optional Phase Two test - if MNO's don't want this, they can defund it immediately - this has no effect on the operation or delivery of the DAO Founders' Exclusive card.
About the 1st Issue DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition Card1
- Your MNO DAO Founders’ card will continue to operate from when you activate it until its expiry date. You may order a new card following this. If we have enough interest, we will run a second issuance of Founder’s Cards but this may only be for existing cardholders.
- We already have our BIN (Bank Identification Number) issuing sponsor bank and the Card Processor agreement.
- We have also already paid $25,000 towards the $50,000 USD processing and integration fees to our card processor, so we are completely invested in completing our Cards project.
What about the USA?
- Non-U.S. based MNO voters – you get the MNO DAO Limited Edition card following our integration, there will be two phases; initial test distribution (0.5 to 1 month pilot) followed by the main distribution.
- U.S. based voters – we will reserve a card for you, AND THE RELATED DAO PAYMENTS COLLECTED FROM THE PHASE TWO 12-MONTH INITIATIVE. This card, and all payments collected, will be provided pending US regulatory cover (Payment Cards and their associated top-ups in the US require regulation).
Why BTC is also supported
As the biggest digital currency in the world, with the most liquidity by a very large margin - Bitcoin is the go-to for most people before they discover other currencies. Ask anyone "have you heard of Bitcoin?". Most people who use digital currencies will also come across BTC, or will fund with BTC as an intermediate settlement, so it's right there in the wallet for you to use if you need it.
How does this help financial inclusion in Africa?
Initializing this fully integrated card program means we can provide inclusive financial services to multiple African countries, including card programs for our initial strategic sub-Saharan core;
Zimbabwe
South Africa
Rwanda
Uganda
Botswana
Users of Kuvacash can fund the wallet with Dash, BTC or can top up with cash locally
A great way to expose local people to digital currencies in a way that is directly useful to them.
A specific program will be launched for these countries, involving pre-purchase and batch ordering and distribution of Payment Cards.
Only Dash, BTC and USDk are provided in the wallet as a trading currency and users are able to top-up their cards in the wallet immediately.
Timeline and funding for Card Program
It will take us 4 months of time to perform the integration (including funding cycles), for which we require a budget of c.$150,000 USD over the first 3 months (captured as $50k per month, 3 months). We will distribute Phase 2 funds to cardholders as we collect the funds from the proposal, (if MNO’s wish to continue to fund it - totally optional). This allows no wastage/burning of superblock-assigned DASH on the DAO.
Funds from this phase are all 100% distributed directly back to holders of the MNO DAO Exclusive Founders’ card, so they may spend directly on their cards. This process can be fully audited by Dashwatch in as much detail as is required, including the audit of allocations to voters.
Kuva State of Play – October 2020
If you haven't seen the wallet demonstration, don't let the naysayers convince you that this is anything but one of the finest and feature-rich blockchain wallets in the world, built to be simple yet powerful and where we are adding new, simple but powerful features continually - bridging digital currency with the current services of global finance;
Full Continuous Dashwatch Attestation and Audit across entire timeline
While we remain funded by this Phase 1 proposal, and the Phase 2 Proposals following, we agree to full open-book attestation and audit by Dashwatch as to all our expenses and distributions in the Cards project from this proposal. As serious Dash community members may know, we set the standard from 2018 for reporting and audit by Dashwatch and Kuva now have a perfect 100% track record of financial and delivery/milestone audits by Dashwatch including full in-person open-book attestations that are currently over and above what was performed for every other project in the history of the DAO, including DCG! Historic Kuvacash Dashwatch reports are all available here:
- https://reports.dashwatch.org/JUL18/KuvacashBaseFunding002.pdf
- https://reports.dashwatch.org/AUG18/KuvacashBaseFunding002.pdf
- https://reports.dashwatch.org/SEP18/KUVACASH-RESTRUCTURED-LAUNCH-PROPOSAL.pdf
- https://reports.dashwatch.org/OCT18/KUVACASH-NOVEMBER-LAUNCH-FUNDING.pdf
- https://reports.dashwatch.org/NOV18/KUVACASH-NOVEMBER-LAUNCH-FUNDING.pdf
- https://reports.dashwatch.org/DEC18/KuvacashBaseFunding002.pdf
Main video interviews here:
Recent State of Play video with James Saruchera and Drako of KuvacashA perfect record of Dashwatch Attestations
As can be seen from our audit/attestation record from Dashwatch, and from our recent update we deliver what we say we will deliver. You will have complete assurance and visibility on a month-to-month basis and may pull our funding at any time if you feel this is not the case. We will only require the full 3 months of funding for the cards program to be implemented and delivered to your doorstep for free. The final month and the second phase is optional, and will only be posted as a proposal if Phase 1 is funded. 100% of funds from Phase 2 are allocated to recharging your DAO Founders' Exclusive payment cards. If the OPTIONAL Phase 2 of our funding is at some point defunded (the MNO DAO Founder card top-ups from remainder DAO funds), then this will not affect any part of our full delivery of the first phase, all MNO’s that voted YES will receive their exclusive MNO DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition cards to their doorstep. From there, you may top-up your card using the Kuvacash Wallet. Any time that the proposal goes into funding, we will distribute funds as above and be subject to Dashwatch audit.
Note from James, CEO of Kuva
Dear Dash MNO's,
We at Kuva are still supporting Dash and still GIVING BACK TO THE MNO’s WHO SUPPORT US. It’s time for something you can show your friends and others in the crypto community AND ACTUALLY USE ON A DAILY BASIS, INTERNATIONALLY!
You can show your friends the Power of the DAO, that with Dash’s Distributed Autonomous Organisation you played a part of creating something physical and useful this time, the Dash DAO Founders’ Exclusive Edition payment card, an exclusive international card which is a means of payment in over 49 million businesses worldwide.
We have delivered everything we said we would, and more - watch our demo and understand the impact of our incredible Kuvacash Wallet of the Future. The Kuva Card Program, including the Dash DAO Founders’ card and its integration into the Kuvacash wallet will contribute greatly to the wider Dash ecosystem, so let us deliver this beautiful and exclusive, limited edition card right to your doorstep for you to use!
Respectfully,
James Saruchera
CEO
Kuva.com
Note from Drako - stepping back
Dear Dash MNO's,
It has become difficult to justify the engagment on Dash forums that are hosted by (and heavily censored by) the very people that my activist campaigning was intending to rid the DAO of in 2017-2019.
Thankfully the very proposals that we criticised and attempted to defund are all but completely gone now, but the ongoing personal defamation in Dash forums and the attempted discrediting of the Kuva project continues.
The thing to do is to look at the data. Our actual Dashwatch 100% track record of audit and attestation. Download the Kuvacash wallet. Look at all the Dashwatch reports. Watch our interviews. Read this article. You can even check out our comprehensive demo of the Kuvacash app and without listening to the voices of those who were involved in valueless proposals and hold grudges because I tried to defund them and they became upset. Really make your own mind up as to what is good about Dash, and how Kuva truly adds tremendous value to the Dash ecosystem.
When I started with Dash and worked with Ryan Taylor to get it on the radar, we were at #4 on CMC. Dash is now out of the top #30. This is for all the reasons that me and many others had pushed to make change to avoid the 'Fall of Dash'. Indeed, winter inevitably came and it will be a hard road uphill, much innovation in the Dash platform is needed - and it's coming very late in the game.
I'm keen to help out but for now I've done what I can, I'll be taking a step back to work on the project itself, and James Saruchera our CEO will be the primary liaison for DAO Cards albiet on this account. That said, free to PM me on Discord, I'll always make time to speak with anyone passionate about the Dash project and what we're doing behind the scenes.
Thank you once again to my supporters and friends from within Dash - we have a world first here with James' proposal, and a world-class team to make it happen for you, so let's do this.
Respectfully,
Drako
Kuvacash Co-Founder
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Discussion: Should we fund this proposal?
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Good to see you in MNO-only doing the kind of ‘soul-searching’ more MNO’s should be doing, and at a faster pace.
You’re perhaps smarter than you appear to be on text, albeit a bit slow to get going with things.
You’re getting the insights about the DAO that I had years ago, so ego aside, I hope you spread the word and think harder about what this proposal is helping you understand.
And also you’re welcome ;)
Thanks,
Drako
.. not really.
I’m hoping it isn’t more kooky nonsense but let’s see...
You've actually been a great help to me and I would like to thank you. Because of my "only the paranoid survive" mentality, I would probably never fall for a con artist like yourself, and so I didn't know very much about cons. Having to witness you successfully con the DAO for so long was a real education. It was a master class actually. You really are talented in this regard and hard working too. You are more dedicated than most LEGITIMATE proposal owners!
I watched as you promised and manipulated shmoozed your way into funding. You had and still have TRUE BELIEVERS who cannot admit to themselves even today that they were duped. You expertly executed a "Big Store*" con and then effortlessly added in elements of the "Spanish Prisoner**" con as time went on.
When the DAO ultimately refused to supply you with more funds for Kuva, you came back as anon JulioDash AND CONNED THE DAO ALL OVER AGAIN! If we didn't stop you you would have captured the Dash brand itself with an anonymous privately-owned LLC from Wyoming.
In closing, please don't give up. I probably don't need to tell you this because you could never give up trying to con the DAO. You're the DAO's Wiley Coyote. No matter how many times you end up in a crumpled heap at the bottom of the cliff, you always come back with a new plan.
Love,
- Geert
* * *
* The Big Store is a technique for selling the legitimacy of a scam and typically involves a large team of con artists and elaborate sets.
** The Spanish Prisoner is a con where the mark is promised a big pay day if they provide a modest sum of funds. After the mark has turned over the funds, he is informed further difficulties have arisen, and more money is needed. With such explanations, the trickster continues to press for more money until the victim is cleaned out, or declines to put up more funds.
You are one of the worst of the lying kooks who is out of touch with the reality that is in front of him.
You obviously haven’t see our most recent Kuvacash demo video - there it is in the proposal text - take a look and understand what has been released by Kuvacash - it’s a wallet like no other, one of the easiest to use in Crypto.
By calling it a ‘con’ you are showing everyone here how ignorant and triggered you really are; a living example of an MNO monothinker kook denying actual reality. I’m sorry, but we released an amazing wallet. You can even download it and have a go - but I think it will sting you a bit so maybe best stay away.
It’s almost like a few dozen MNO’s like you are the actual ‘Monero trolls’ you all obsess about, because no Monero troll could have done a better job of trashing Dash.
The reason for your panic and paranoia, where Drako and Kuva ‘live in your head rent free’ is because you KNOW underneath it all that you were wrong about Kuva. You held your Dash bags to the bottom like an idiot and want to cry about it, when the real reason is because morons and kooks like you don’t know a business from your arseloch...
Well, again - tough titties and grow up.
Thanks,
Drako
You can buy the coins in the wallet, moron.
You can transact p2p cash out to a bank account, transfer to and from BTC or Dash and a lot more besides.
Your point being?
Thanks,
Drako
Initial closed source was also pioneered by Dash actually...or rather Darkcoin and a bunch of other projects.
And if you still think Kuva isn’t ‘real’ you should probably stop taking whatever hallucinogens you appear to be on daily.
Instead try downloading the Kuvacash app that you think doesn’t exist, and then use it. Your tiny brain will probably melt down at the cognitive dissonance.
Thanks,
Drako
You were handed your arse on a plate by Triptole and myself and have never gotten over it. Maybe grow up, instead of reacting like a spanked toddler.
You have a brain - use it instead of being the same old party-line towing copypasta bot.
Drako
Reminders for the community: I said Kuva are going to keep asking for money - and you did. I said there would be no real benefit to the network - and there wasn't. I said that by using the brand "kuvacash" it would enable you to work with any other competing coin at any time in the future - now you are. The KuvaCash project promotes the purchase of USD and fiat currency which is what we are aiming to get away from. Since Dash was only being used for the transfer of funds then there is no real value to Dash. But most of all I also said that you had a bad attitude and were actively striving to cause division and damage in the Dash project. Which you did for a while and you still are attempting to do. All of these things I said from the start and they all happened exactly I said. I've been in business long enough to see a rat a mile off. You're no good man.
You are deluded Drako to think you can insult everyone time and time again and for them to sit there and take it, oh, and then expect the very same people to vote for your project. Pure delusion.
You have repeatedly come back after the Dash community have voted against your projects over and over - how many times is it now Drako that you projects have failed for funding? I've lost count.... ? Haven't you yet got the message? Delusion.
Drako you have a narcissistic personality. I mean that. You just can't see it yet. You are either a narcissist or you're just plain dumb - it's one or the other.
If everyone here is a a kook as you say then why are you still hanging around here man? Why waste your time with with a bunch of kooks? If Dash is such a shit project created and managed by kooks then why do you keep coming back? THAT is plain dumb. Actually don't answer that. I'm not interested in your view any more.
No, the fact is that you know that Dash is a leading innovative coin that's why you keep coming back. So, according to you a bunch of kooks helped create a leading coin? Rightttt that makes sense...
Look at the votes man. 23 of the votes went up right away when the proposal went live - I wager those votes are from you and your other KuvaTash employees. That only leaves 16 actual possible votes from Dash community members. So that means at the very best you have 16 MNOs that voted for your project - but actually it would be much less than that since MNOs own more than one masternode. It could be as low as just a few MNOs. 530 votes against. The message is clear. Move on and deliver value for the network with the 1 million plus you have already taken from the network. You're not going to get any more Drako.
I'm not interested any more in what you think or what you want to do Drako. I don't need to hear what a deluded narcissist has to say and I've had enough of your bullshit.
Now it's time for you to pack up your things like a good little boy and go and deliver some actual value to the Dash network for the 1 million plus dollars that we have already given you.
Have a nice day!
I really thought Dash had a future, which is why I invested a lot of my time and money in it, and that of my team and I fought hard to make the improvements that you now enjoy. I also did my best to get rid of the kooks like you. Win some lose some ;)
It should be clear as day that I sold all my Masternodes a long time ago. Buying them back is not as attractive an idea as it used to be back in the day.
Those YES votes you see are for sure the people in Dash who actually have brains. My guess is the abstains are more likely to have brains than the straight no voters...
If Dash remains properly infested with kooks and monothinkers, toeing the party line and DCG religion (like you) it’s guaranteed to be doomed, which is a shame because Dash had such potential.
People like you are responsible for its collapse, sorry to say.
Thanks,
Drako
It’s because of the Dunning-Kruger toddlers like Deepblue above and for that matter almost everyone on this page who is in reaction because ‘Drako hurt their feelings’ - tough titties, grow up.
MNO’s you need to get rid of these clown kooks or the rough diamond of Dash will continue to be ground into dust.
Old but good article - read it you will know what’s going on;
https://medium.com/@andreiko/dash-kuva-and-the-hopium-trade-3119fc14d37f
Thanks,
Kuva
Oh, and about me being "offended" by you. What a joke. I started my career in direct sales and and was a the top of the sales team for 5 years. I made between 30 to 150 cold calls per day. I had well over a thousand face to face sales interviews. I deal with rejection and negativity on a daily basis. Do you honestly think I give a hoot what you think or say about me? Man your ego is out of control it so over inflated. You really are not that important Drako. Back then I didn't respond to dicks like you and your pal because I didn't want to when you still had misguided Dash followers. To do so would cause division in the community. Now you've been repeatedly rejected by the community and they have got wise about you I can say what I want.
It's time for you to actually deliver some value for the 1 million + you've taken from the community. I'm not seeing any value from your project yet Drako. Where's the value from our investment? How many transactions per month are we getting? how many new merchants are signed up and using Dash. You were supposed to be bringing Dash to Africa. What's the progress on that?
Kuva owes nothing to the DAO nor to the ‘community’ of hardcore kooks who not only defunded Kuva’s launch, but also unsuccessfully attempted to derail the project, only to see it emerge as its own blockchain and fund itself.
I’ll remind you again - this project has not been funded by Dash DAO for nearly 2 years. It raised its own funding through non-kook supporters from Dash and external contributors, which took it to where it is today.
Kooks defunded it’s launch, and therefore Kuva is a completely independent project which owes nothing to the Dash DAO, no matter what you might believe.
This particular proposal is a business proposition for MNO’s - value for value and ‘code is law’. The DAO isn’t represented by you, Deepblue, nor any other Dunning-Krugeresque kooks for that matter, even if there are piles of them crawling all over Dash and ruining it as fast as they can.
You are of course way too involved in the Dash kook religion to see it that way, but that is what it is.
Thanks,
Drako
Kuva is a face-hugging, blood-sucking worm.
You're describing the sucking of perfectly good funds from the DAO that the parasites DACH (and DFN) were both doing for years. Good riddance to them, I hope MNO's see what I was going on about for years.
Essra, Sidem, Fabio and co were the definition of the parasite you describe, and delivered nothing of lasting value to the network while taking far more funds from the DAO. That's a fact.
This proposal, on the other hand is a business proposition. You get real value, to your doorstep. If you are quivering like a virgin in the rain because you can't handle it, then vote NO :) - nobody really cares.
Thanks,
Drako
>"..., Dash Text (tranasctions are growing in venezuela on this platform again, a platform no other coin but **BCH has**, and theirs isn't funded **and is shutting down, unlike ours which is growing**)."
And lo and behold, this afternoon at 2:06 pm, what do I see on twitter? COINTEXT (the DashText like service I referenced above) IS SHUTTING DOWN!
https://twitter.com/CoinText/status/1318191823290953728
CoinText
@CoinText
On November 14th, at 12:00 UTC, CoinText will cease operations of our SMS wallet in all regions for all supported currencies (BCH, BTC, LTC, DASH, DCR).
Before that time, users should move any funds to another address under their control.
https://cointext.io/en/nov14/
How the hell is THAT for making predictions!? ;)
That's what drako's attempting to do here, it looks to me. What are BTC trolls attacking BCH community for? "blocksize debate". The blocksize debate was "settled" for us in 2014-5 when Dash voted to go with 2MB blocks, even though we didn't need it (and thus didn't actually implement it at the time). Because of that, we were able to MOVE ON and focus on other things. Like chainlocks, chained instantsend, privatesend to 16 rounds from 8, etc.
But if we didn't? We'd still be fighting about it, just like BTC and BCH. And just like them, we'd be STUCK IN TIME! BCH is still having arguments that took place in 2014-7!! BCH and BSV (formerly 1/3rd of BCH's community) still argue TO THIS DAY even though the split was like 2 years ago! This is what Drako is attempting to SUCK US INTO, a vortex where we either split or they "keep coming around" until we do!
I’ve been working hard to ensure Dash doesn’t get a crap logo, the technology works properly (chained Instantsend) and also proposing DeFi initiatives (ask Ryan what DashSaved was), and networked liquidity (Fastpass). I worked to defund crap proposals, and to introduce professionalism in the DAO. And also to try get some vision into DCG.
For this, my project which extends the Dash ecosystem was subject to disparagement, slander and lies. I was attacked personally by the very kooks who were lining their pockets from precious DAO funds.
And now it seems your narrative has fallen completely into kookland. Shame.
And you’re not so neutral now, are you - making up nonsense and conspiracies...also shame.
Thanks,
Drako
And nobody besmirches you of any of this that you actually did. Your issue here is you're EGOTISTICAL. You think past performance guarantees future respect. NOT SO. You don't have the right to hurl wild, unsourced accusations against our DAMN CORE TEAM YOU ASS! This coin exists because of them AND they've never done anything scummy or scammy. They've never attempted to put a hardcoded payment address into the base freaking protocol (BCH ABC/Amaury Sechet), they've NEVER done anything like a PUMP AND DUMP (Monero and core team member and founding member fluffyPony).
They never took or advocated a market position where they openly state they SOLD THEIR DASH HOLDINGS indicating personal non-confidence in the project (LTC Charlie Lee), they never bricked ASIC hardware with a hardfork for completely nonsensical reason (monero and Siacoin), they didn't advocate locking the protocol down in an unusable state, incurring technical debt like segwit and other anti-'features'.
You're IGNORING all this terrible behavior of other core teams, while AT THE SAME TIME *IGNORING* all the good our team has done, and focused on REALLY TINY CONCERNS. Like a CONCERN TROLL WOULD. Its ironic and fitting that the first advice I gave the dash community all those years ago warning about concern trolls would be what is necessary now.
>For this, my project which extends the Dash ecosystem was subject to disparagement, slander and lies. I
Your project came under attack because you're one side of a vicious circle of negativity deliberately and artificially created to split our network.
> I was attacked personally by the very kooks who were lining their pockets from precious DAO funds.
You're stuck in the past Drako! And you're trying to drag us back with you, NO THANKS!
>And now it seems your narrative has fallen completely into kookland. Shame.
Ten times this right back to you. I have defeated you at least a dozen times here, drako. The fact that you can't acknowledge that makes *you* the kook.
>And you’re not so neutral now
Of course not, you've proven to be malicious by your motivations as deduced from your statements and actions like airing dirty laundry at in inopportune time, in an inopportune place--its only inopportune if you actually care about the network though. If you're an enemy, its the PERFECT time for an attack. So no, no need to be neutral anymore. Your mask has fallen, just like Valenzuelas did that day two years ago when I argued with him and his minions for nearly 48 hours that saturday night into monday afternoon.
Neutrality is only necessary to determine which option is the best. Clearly the answer is "NONE OF THE ABOVE" in this case.
Thanks for your participation
QED, and peace out ;)
Cheers
No capital means no deal.
But I can see why you think the DAO is a charity, since most of the time MNO’s like yourself vote to give the money away for little to no value in return. Then you double down on defending the idiocy and abysmal performance of those receiving charity in exchange for Hopium.
Sometimes you don’t need to list a pile of points and claim that having an opinion on each one is somehow bringing insight.
This is the behaviour of the hyperlogical person, and you end up missing the bigger picture entirely.
So, QED my friend.
Thanks,
Drako
Gee, ya think? What tipped you off, was it the 400+ No votes? Or was it your only former-supporter YELLING AT YOU for the last 100 comments? You really are kinda slow on the uptake here, Drako...
>But I can see why you think the DAO is a charity
Strawman. I've extensively argued AGAINST people abusing the DAO and not doing any work, like Joel Valenzuela and DFN, TaoOfSatoshi, Ben Swann, DA-CH and other wasteful proposals. The fact that you cannot even acknowledge this, despite this being EXACTLY YOUR SCREED FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, just proves I was right about how egotistical and pig-headed you are, drako. Like I said, you'd be better of just STOP REPLYING.
>give the money away for little to no value in return
You're LYING! Its not "no value" in return. WE HAVE 100k active monthly users ALL AROUND THE GLOBE. But MOSTLY CENTERED IN VENEZUELA. The proposals that YOU'RE CALLING WASTEFUL have given us ALL OF OUR RECENT GROWTH (except in Jamaica which was the largest with 400+x growth). Which means YOU'RE DELUSIONAL DRAKO. You're deliberately ignoring the FACTS AND EVIDENCE I'M CITING to make a STUPID POINT.
>. Then you double down on defending the idiocy and abysmal performance of those receiving charity in exchange for Hopium.
You never seemed to understand that NOBODY HAS TO BELIEVE YOUR SELF-SERVING, NARROW CHARACTERIZATIONS. If you have evidence of failure or malfeasence BRING IT. OTHERWISE SHUT UP! You pollute this space with your LIES and IGNORANCE!
>Sometimes you don’t need to list a pile of points and claim that having an opinion on each one is somehow bringing insight.
Sometimes its just better to know when to STOP TALKING. STOP TYPING. STEP BACK AND REEVALUATE YOUR LIFE DECISIONS UP UNTIL THIS POINT. Drako, you are not getting funded so you are WASTING your time attacking proposals that ARE. GROW UP AND GET A REAL JOB.
>This is the behaviour of the hyperlogical person, and you end up missing the bigger picture entirely.
How can you say that I'M MISSING THE BIGGER PICTURE?
I'm the one who brought to you the truth of the current Dash ecosystem, 20 proposals of growth funded all around the world by decentralized governance. Something no other coin has.
**YOU'RE** THE ONE narrowly focused on your STUPID FUED WITH VALENZUELA (and now core because he's become a has-been). You're the one who's "missing the bigger picture" and narrowly focusing on your one proposal at the expense of DCG, which is to the net DETRIMENT of the entire network!
Would you stop ABUSING QED just because you want to "score points"? Drako, you've lost every argument we've had here. There's no way you can save face except by SHUTTING THE HELL UP!
Cheers
Everything has become tl;dr - you win by sheer virtue of the insane volume of text. I’m pretty good at generating large walls of text myself but am no match for you and the verbal tsunami.
You win.
Its not volume, I can't produce volume without evidence or truth. Believe it or not, if there's nothing to write about, I can't write ANYTHING. But LIARS give a lot of material because as they say its easier to spew bullshit than to disprove it.
Well, maybe for some people, but NOT FOR ME!
Your conscience has consciously defeated your enemies using hypergolic flaming fingers and employing your hyperbaric brain.
Hopium prevails and everyone is satisfied with themselves!
Thanks for all the threadwork, it’s much appreciated.
-Drako
BUT! As I pointed out years ago when I posted about Fair value, although fair value is much superior and basically immune to the manipulations that plague exchange-based price valuation metrics, there STILL IS a way to manipulate it. If you have control over more than 51% of the economic activity of a coin, YOU CAN MANIPULATE THE FAIR VALUE because you directly control the majority of the inputs into the calculation!
It took the monero community THREE YEARS to both lower the fair value of Dash, and raise the fair value of Monero. They did this spitefully so that I would be "wrong" instead of right like I was proven for three years where Dash's fair value was 10x larger than Monero's! But in so doing, THEY ACTUALLY PROVED I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!
First, they proved its MUCH HARDER to manipulate fair value than exchange price, because they've been manipulating our exchange prices SINCE 2017 (roughly when I started posting about fair value). But they've only succeeded in manipulating fair value THIS YEAR! That means it took them THREE YEARS to accomplish with Fair value what they did nearly instantly with exchange price. That's another "WIN" or successful prediction I made! I said back then that fair value is MUCH, MUCH harder to manipulate than exchange pricing and is practically IMMUNE to the manipulations the monero community was taking advantage of then. AND THEY PROVED ME RIGHT!
Secondly and what's more, by manipulating the fair value THEY'VE PROVEN THAT THEY'RE BASICALLY THE ONLY PEOPLE USING MONERO! Monero's transactions began "spiking" this year. Like I predicted, in order to manipulate the fair value, YOU WOULD NEED TO BE THE ONE MAKING THE MAJORITY OF TRANSACTIONS, and they proved me right again! This is what happens when you rely on superficial, egotistical EMOTIONAL arguments. I warned flenst and the monero community that these arguments FORCE YOU TO LAY IT ALL ON THE TABLE, and I was proven right about that too.
So, if you're not "egotistical" and can watch them manipulate fair value to make Dash look smaller and Monero look bigger, than you will see that they're basically proving me 100% correct! In other words, DRAKO, DEEPBLUE, AND OTHER MONERO LIKE SHILLS ARE USING AN ARTIFICIALLY MANIPULATED METRIC TO TRY AND GET YOU TO JETTISON THE BEST CORE TEAM IN CRYPTO AND FAIL!!!!
And I don't say this claim without evidence. I say this because I was watching fair value before I posted about it. Furthermore, I caught flenst deliberately lying and manipulating posts and timestamps to "prove me wrong" about an argument we had over something r/dashpay user anti-kakkonen had written in regards to Anon-sets.
Flenst LIED and said the anon set for his "calculation" was 1. I went back to anti-kakkonen's ORIGINAL POST and quoted him where he said the anon set was actually **3**. Flenst was trying to LIE and manipulate my understanding of the discussion by using a "trusted voice in the community" as backup. He didn't think I'd actually click on the quote and read it though. When I did, I clearly saw he was lying.
I called him out for it and he backed out. I called him out for it again TWICE to PROVE THAT HE WAS A LIAR. And he had no words. THEN, somehow, not only did Anti-kakkonen edit his post to say "the anon set was 1", but also the timestamps that reddit showed for the post made it look like I WAS BEING CRAZY!
In other words, these guys are REALLY SERIOUS ABOUT LYING AND MANIPULATION! They will change timestamps they will edit old posts and pretend it was always that way, they are NOT HONEST OR GOOD PEOPLE. They are not above MANIPULATING THE PRICE OF THEIR COMPETITION'S ASSETS BOTH THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA LIES AND DIRECT EXCHANGE PRICE MANIPULATION! We cannot IGNORE THIS or our coin will be DESTROYED BY THEIR HATEFUL AND MALICIOUS FAVORITISM (of shitcoins that don't provide any actual value, like monero).
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jdh5to/psa_a_bug_has_caused_some_nodes_to_get_stuck_on/
Their transactions went to ZERO. Their network was basically unusable. Change now, binance, morphtoken ALL SUSPENDED Monero because of it! So you have:
1. A team that is as incompetent as theirs release a bug that could've easily been caught by more testing
2. A chain that was completely basically shut down for 24 hours
3. No transparency or anything into the processes used for release (which show its totally amateur hour over there).
And how does the market respond? WIth a bump. That's because the MARKET IS BEING MANIPULATED. Monero doesn't work, its slow, its privacy doesn't work and has been proven to be broken AT LEAST 8 DIFFERENT WAYS (There's a list with 7 I always post on reddit and another 'bug' was found that broke privacy again recently).
In short, Monero doesn't work for the only thing that its supposed to do, its network was basically offline for 24 hours with bitinfocharts reporting 0 transactions, then 1000, and 2800 (the real numbers of daily monero transactions before they started faking them with a script as I documented on reddit). If you're going to call these things "kooky" or "crazy conspiracy theories" that's fine. I love feedback. But PROVE IT. Show me where my evidence was wrong. If you can't prove it, THEN DON'T SAY ANYTHING. The facts remain, the market is being MANIPULATED to hide Dash and promote scam coins.
The enemies of crypto do not like Dash particularly, and they LOVE bullshit coins like monero and btc where their devs say "just hodl, use credit cards instead!" That's the message of a SHILL and someone who's been PAID OFF. Whenever someone starts saying the complete opposite of the truth BEWARE! Because the complete opposite of the truth is the STRONGEST ATTACK YOU CAN MAKE BY LYING! So you can basically tell who is MALICIOUSLY misrepresenting the truth by how far from it their arguments are!
Let's try it out. Drako makes two basic arguments (which curiously, have nothing to do with his proposal. But let's ignore that for now):
1. DCG/Ryan Taylor should be fired and replaced.
2. Dash is "failling" because of the price action.
1.
What's the truth of #1? Objectively? The only way to evaluate DCG's performance is to compare them to the core teams of other coins. So it should be a RED FLAG TO YOU that Drako's criticisms come WITHOUT ANY PRAISE. Core seems to have "never done anything right", to him. Hmmm, but that's basically THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH!
DCG is responsible for:
Decentralized goverance, improving upon Evan's version, as well as improving upon instantSend, adding Chainlocks, making the network usable for such technology. In fact, the way instantsend was originally implemented prevented this update which would've forced Dash to have instantsend be "optional" forever, a clear usability disadvantage in the current landscape (showing DCG's foresight).
This forced it to be redone. Drako would call this a "fireable offense" against all good reason. Not to mention DCG is responsible also for many BizDev integrations, partnerships like ReadyRaider, and many exchange integrations that has seen the profile of Dash raised. DCG is responsible for sporks, which prevented what happened to monero yesterday from happening to the Dash network, in fact there was a bug in instantsend a couple years ago that broke it basically.
DCG had to turn it off and work on it. Thanks to sporks this happened seemlessly without network interruption. That gives DCG and the network extreme granularity and control over the network upgrade process, allowing it to be as smooth and painless as possible. The network has had MANY updates go through like this, with new features being added as Sporks all the time.
This is WELL-DONE software architecture, contrary to Drako's claims of incompetence. Which is how you know he's DELIBERATELY LYING. This is how malicious and hateful, agenda-driven favoritism works: you IGNORE everything you don't like and SPAM everything you do. You PRETEND DCG hasn't done all this, and you ACCUSE THEM OF GROSS INCOMPETENCE for minor infractions.
You attack hardworking proposals like Dash Mall and Parking, Dash Nigeria, Dash Haiti, Dash Brazil, and Dash Help (like earlier this year) with all manner of FALSE AND UNSUBSTANTIATED ACCUSATIONS, just like Drako makes against DCG. All the while you HEAP UNDUE PRAISE on people not doing any real work like Joel Valenzuela, "Dash force news", "Ben Swann" etc.
Drako hasn't done ANTHING FOR DASH the last 2 years. But now he wants to come back and decapitate the network. Yeah no thanks.
2. "Dash is 'failling' because of the price action."
In the exact same manner, you have to PRAISE SHITCOINS LIKE MONERO that have all kinds of bugs, privacy deanons you and doesn't work, and has completely fake transactions and price action. I proved their daily transactions were fake earlier this year when I demonstrated the same behavior on their block chain (lots of transactions of the same size and fee) that took place during Dash' and BCH's stress tests. The monero core team attempted to lie and say "all monero transactions look like that" when it was clear that they don't. They each have different, individual fees and sizes.
And despite their network losing miners as you can see from this thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/ak33tr/why_the_number_of_miners_is_decreasing/
and
https://www.cryptunit.com/coin/XMR
From that first thread, you can see that Monero went from ~46k miners in Dec 2018 to a low of 28k on sept 20th. For a network decline of *60%* The DECLINE meant a much smaller community for Monero, especially since mining is the only thing you can really use it for. Monero's dnm adoption is all HYPE (they attack dnms that don't list them). Yet, despite all this clear evidence (And don't you DARE open your mouth to say anything Drako; unless you've got evidence to the contrary SHUT THE HELL UP!), the price and rank of monero remains intact. Why?
The monero community is a community of superficial agenda driven propagandists. They lied about anon set, the power of "encryption" vs steganography, they lied about their traceability and level of privacy, they're basically an ENTIRE COMMUNITY doing what I'm accusing drako and the Joel side of doing. Which means IF YOU IGNORE THIS in your "price review", then you're being NAIVE!
What if Dash and DCG are ACTUALLY DOING THE RIGHT THING?! WHAT IF DASH IS ACTUALLY WINNING?? What if the SUPERFICIAL, LYING LOSERS who are against Dash are merely MANIPULATING THE PRICE so that it LOOKS like we're not growing, even though all other metrics PROVES WE ARE. Go on r/btc, r/monero, r/xmrtrader. Then go on r/dashpay. Do you notice something? THERE IS NO GOOD NEWS FOR ANY OTHER COIN! If you go on r/dashpay for example, I count 20 posts that are "newsworthy", i.e. integrations, protocol/network upgrades, new partnerships, you know, the things we used to look for when judging cryptos.
YOU DON'T SEE THAT ON OTHER SUBREDDITS! On r/btc they're all arguing about ABC and IFP. They've been DOING THAT SINCE FEB!! On r/monero its all posts like this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jdz74x/is_everything_fixed/
"Is everything fixed??!
So is everything back to the way it was for Monero? Can I use an exchange like Changenow in CakeWallet to convert BTC to XMR, or is there still a problem with it all? Thank you!"
NOT A PEEP ABOUT THIS ON r/CC, not a SMIDGEN OF MOVEMENT in the price. So how can Drako, Deepblue and other PROPAGANDISTS argue that "we're falling" when clearly the reason for our price decline IS NOT RELATED TO PERFORMANCE?? r/dashpay is a list of NEWS about Dash, integrations, upgrades, new growth and partnerships, Dash mall and parking growth etc. What's r/monero about? Cringey videos, bugs, questions about bugs and traceability. There's no Spanish monero community, there's no "BCH Venezuelan" community.
So what I think is happening here is that we're seeing a fractal representation of the attack against cryptocurrencies. They attack each level with the same weapon, SPLITS CAUSED BY MALICIOUS FAVORITISM AND CORRUPTION. As I detailed nearly two years ago here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/ahasrv/the_final_and_strongest_weapon_against_us_will_be/
The Final and Strongest Weapon Against us will be the Hardest to Beat! - Conflict of Interest
Basically by bribing entities to take up "opposite positions", our competition attempts to split up the Dash network before we release evolution so that we cannot leave them in the dust. So that Drako's words of hatred against Dash become prophetic instead of the TRASH LIES that the really are. So for me, its a very good thing that this proposal will not pass. The network will be much better off when the Drako's and Valenzuela's run out of gas and just leave us alone. We don't need em.
"From that first thread, you can see that Monero went from ~46k miners in Dec 2018 to a low of 28k on sept 20th. For a network decline of *60%* The DECLINE meant a much smaller community for Monero"
Its telling that that site, cryptunit.com won't even show historical miner data. If you click on their 'hashrate', 'difficulty', 'reward', and 'price' chart tabs, you will see the graph goes all the way back to 2018 (when they changed the site), but if you click on 'miners' and 'hashrate/miner', the data only goes back one month. Hmm, why?
BECAUSE THE MONERO COMMUNITY IS DELIBERATELY TRYING TO HIDE THEIR DECLINE. By FAKING THE OPPOSITE OF THE TRUTH, i.e. by MANIPULATING their price upward and the price of their competition (dash) downward, they're TRYING TO LIE TO YOU and use cynicism to say that A SHITCOIN WITH BUGS is worth more than Dash.
Its superficial, egotistical reasoning. Just like Drako uses here. Just like Drako, they want you TO IGNORE the things that make them look bad, like the 60% decline in their active miners. It was ACTUALLY MORE, it went down to 22k or so, but they DELETE THOSE MONTHS OF DATA TO TRICK YOU! Just like Drako "DELETES" DCG's good work and successes TO TRICK the MNOs.
If you want to evaluate core you have to look at BOTH their successes AND their failures. Focusing on ONE OR THE OTHER is BIASED and will NOT get you a good result.
That bit has already happened. Everything he has said has come true so far. The trash proposals he said delivered no value and then fought to defund and was slandered and lied about, well - they have all been defunded.
Everything he has said about DCG is FACT! And indeed this is why Ryan has now shut up - the levels of incompetence at DCG and the wastage is true.
The next prophecy is yet to come, and the illusion you are painting isn’t helping Dash.
Thanks,
Kuva
They were NOT prophetic, they were WRONG. I listed the 19 proposals that make up this month's Dash network. Our ecosystem was NOWHERE NEAR as rich two years ago as it is now. I know I WAS THERE. SO YOU'RE LYING when you say his words were prophetic. They were WRONG! Not being able to admit you were wrong IS A HUGE LIABILITY, which means not funding Drako/kuvateam is the right decision. And unlike group#2, I'm rescinding my vote for the RIGHT reasons.
> Everything he has said has come true so far
Wrong. We've grown by leaps and bounds. You have to ignore this growth to say that. Delusional people have no place in the network, thanks.
>The trash proposals he said delivered no value
That part was true, but he wasn't the only one ringing that bell. Had I not spent all my time fighting against Monero trolls during those years, I would've been in the discord and done the same thing, BUT MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY. As you can see, neither you, nor Joel, nor Monero, nor flenst, nor Agnew, nor solarguy, nor basilpop, nor privacytothetop, nor fluffypony, nor SarangNoether, nor princeKael, nor samsunggalaxyplayer, nor mobtwo, nor elan0r, nor gerhard, nor george donnelly, nor edward stover, NONE OF YOU can defeat me in argument.
Why? Because NONE OF YOU ARE UNBIASED. You all have terribly biased agendas THAT PREVENT YOU FROM SUPPORTING THE TRUTH. But the truth is completely undefeatable so you're ALL WASTING YOUR BREATH LIKE FOOLS. Which means that if it were me in the discord in 2018, there would've been no "split" because all the FOOLS trying to create it would've been called out PROPERLY, with facts, evidence and reason/logic. THAT'S what defeated you here today. Not my ego, not my 'intelligence', nor my 'ability to argue' nor my 'acumen' nor 'credentials'. Your OWN BIASES defeated you today.
> And indeed this is why Ryan has now shut up
Ryan doesn't have to answer you here. I'm sure that DCG has already begun preparing their response to Drako's accusations and we'll hear from them during the quarterly call or at the time that best suits them. THIS IS NOT THE APPROPRIATE PLACE for your SNIPING!
Furthermore, DCG is the most performant core team in crypto! PROVE ME WRONG OR SHUT UP!
>The next prophecy is yet to come, and the illusion you are painting isn’t helping Dash.
We don't need prophets; yet my predictions are the only ones that have come true. I predicted our growth would come from Venezuela, about a YEAR before Venezuela was even really a thing. I predicted that Flenst was an INFILTRATOR sent to commit influence peddling and that he was a LIAR, for which I was banned from r/dashpay. But **I** was vindicated. Drako has NEVER been vindicated yet. You'd do much better to listen to a "prophet" that has never been wrong rather than someone paid to split up a wholesome community.
Thanks for reading
When your LSD or cocaine or whatever has bent your reality has worn off, go back and read the nonsense you’re posting.
Dash is down 95% from its heyday when it could have commanded the whole of the cryptosphere as digital cash. Those days are over for now, and due to the incompetence and inefficiency of DCG as well as the kooks putting money towards the real scammers and conmen, with community moderators lining their own pockets and shifting the narrative to suit.
Every prophecy has come true - Dash is in the shitcoin pile. Here you go;
https://medium.com/@andreiko/drakos-commentary-kuva-and-the-broken-dash-project-in-need-of-repair-so-9c3e5d1047b0
Keen to hear Ryan address what critique I have posted as FACT in the quarterly call, if he wants. I’ll do my part by posting up everything I have, full emails, comms and screenshots from my time working directly with him, both pre and post DCG and along with his ineffectual and weak ex-head of strategy and UX who was thankfully fired.
I’ve made the offer to Ryan here and he is free to consent to the release of my private comms with him and other DCG members to the community, the whole timeline.
Everything from ‘Fastpass’ (networked liquidity) through to the Dash logo wars, through to the pressure to get chained Instantsend working, and a lot more...and I’ll make sure that everyone gets more than the opportunity to know exactly what the incompetence at DCG is like. Why we missed the DeFi possibilities several years ago, and the kind of cowardice that led to Ryan lying here for all to see.
Then let’s see what the kooks say.
Projection is the realm of the defeated Drako.
>Dash is down 95%
Like most coins. Like most coins the price is manipulated. Your argument assumes the market is rational without cause. Indeed as I've shown by moneros growth despite utter REAL failure, the market is not rationally evaluating our price. If you want some REAL failure to compare to, you'd look at monero and see that Dash is way ahead.
But your agenda doesn't allow that.
>Those days are over for now,
Dash is the only pow coin with 17,000 payments a day, mostly in LaTam. You make all these claims with no evidence. And when I provide evidence to the contrary you claim "its fake", again with no evidence, or just slink away. Don't realize this behavior STINKS and proves you have a malicious agenda?
>incompetence and inefficiency
What incompetence? What inefficiency? 1 bad hiring decision that was rectified even according to you is NOT incompetence. All the various updates that core has released which are ALL INNOVATIVE, GROUNDBREAKING TECH (i.e. not just BTC backports like BCHABC under Amaury Sechet) have been released steadily and without much hiccup. Again WHERE is this fabled inefficiency mr shill?
>Every prophecy has come true
You're wrong. You claimed Dash would fail TWO YEARS AGO. Dash didn't have 20 proposals of people working around the world spreading adoption, something NO OTHER COIN has. Which you just handwave away and dismiss. Its become quite clear that the real purpose of this "proposal" was to give you a PLATFORM for your Anti-DCG LIES and agenda. The only problem for you is they're not working.
>https://medium.com/@andreiko/drakos-commentary-kuva-and-the-broken-dash-project-in-need-of-repair-so-9c3e5d1047b0
>We have amazing people like Scott Farnsworth motivated and inspired by Dash, and trying for bigger vision.
Lmao so 'Scott Farnsworth' is supposed to be your 'big proof' on how 'right you are'? What the hell has he done for Dash since you posted this in Jan 2019?? You're proving to be a real kook now, drako. You're basically trying to gaslight the community into destroying itself. Scott Farnsworth is a pilot that flew a plane with Dash on it. That's supposed to be the 'big prophecy' we're supposed to look out for? Woow, geewhiz, you're such a sooth-sayer Drako. Can you tell me what the weather was like yesterday too??
Your predictions are PATHETIC drako. Here, let me show you how its done.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/8nd8pp/whatsapp_and_why_defunding_ben_swann_was_a/
In a VIRAL thread I posted 2 and a half years ago in May of 2018 I predicted the following:
"That's why we should double down on places like Venezuela, Ghana, Nigeria, India, Africa and retreat from the West, Europe, and the U.S. as much as feasible. I.e. don't throw them under the bus, if something comes up grab it, if conferences come up grab them, but if say there's a choice between a project in Venezuela and say Ben Swann, choose Venezuela everytime! Because that's where are 1 Billion users are. Because you can spend 1 million dollars (!!) on a Ben Swann in 6 months and get 0 increased views, or you can spend 20k in Venezuela and create thousands of new users.
That's where our 100k tx/day are. Trust me, you can waste your time trying to evangelize over in r/btc, r/bitcoin and r/cryptocurrency and you can try to reach the comfortable tv-addled masses, but you will be trying to get blood from a recalcitrant stone! The truth is r/bitcoin, r/btc, r/monero, r/litecoin and everyone involved KNOWS already that we are the correct and best coin. They know of our innovation and they watch and pray that the day that our price skyrockets never comes (again)."
So basically I said that proposals like ben swanns (and by extension valenzuelas, and now yes, YOURS) would be fine to ignore and forget about because our REAL GROWTH would come from *VENEZUELA*, NIGERIA, HAITI, GHANA and the like. And lo and behold I was proven 100% CORRECT. Venezuela has 70k active android users in a 30 day period. That's more than any other country for Dash. Indeed, its more than any other cryptocurrency ANYWHERE. I made that prediction basically 2 years before it happened.
THAT'S HOW YOU MAKE A PREDICTION. You're an amateur with a biased agenda, so your 'prophecies' ARE GARBAGE.
>. I’ll do my part by posting up everything I have, full emails, comms and screenshots from my time working directly with him, both pre and post DCG and along with his ineffectual and weak ex-head of strategy and UX who was thankfully fired.
You're moving the goalposts. POST WHERE YOU HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP IN LEGITIMATE VENUES OR STFU!
>I’ve made the offer to Ryan here and he is free to consent to the release of my private comms with him and other DCG members to the community, the whole timeline.
YOU ARE MOVING THE GOAL POSTS. THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE FOR THAT. PUTTING IT HERE IS CALLED SNIPING AND YOU ARE COMMITING A MALICIOUS ACT BY ENGAGING IN IT.
>Everything from ‘Fastpass’ (networked liquidity) through to the Dash logo wars, through to the pressure to get chained Instantsend working, and a lot more...and I’ll make sure that everyone gets more than the opportunity to know exactly what the incompetence at DCG is like. Why we missed the DeFi possibilities several years ago, and the kind of cowardice that led to Ryan lying here for all to see.
So now you can see, this was always the endgame. This is scripted behavior folks. Drako has been trying to "build up to" this "big reveal" because this is A TAKEOVER ATTEMPT. Our competition doesn't LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING. So they sent drako, who is not dash exclusive anymore, to decapitate our network and remove our core team right before evolution releases.
>Then let’s see what the kooks say.
We've already seen what you have to say with wide open eyes. Your agenda has been EXPOSED TROLL!
There isn’t going to be a backing down - therealDashman, I know you believe with all your being what you have been fed by the kooks and a pile of misinformation from people marking their own homework. I can’t help you - for now, if you keep believing nonsense and embellishments, you are lost.
Your heart is in the right place, but your objective mind is clearly lost, and when the lights come on it won’t be pretty for you.
Cognitive dissonance does that - the avoidance of it actually makes people refuse to believe what in front of their eyes. Hyper-logical people like yourself are particularly susceptible.
Anyway, I tried man. Peace out.
Thanks,
Drako
Your positions, you mean? Look at you, speaking as if you don't have 455 NO VOTES to only 34 YES VOTES. Not only have you completely lost your 'objectivity', but its clear you've lost your RATIONALITY! You're just spouting nonsense to hear yourself speak. You address the MNOs as if THEY DON'T SEE YOU AS A CRETIN AND A SCAMMER.
Hey Drako, do I have to remind you THAT I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO DEFENDED YOU WITH ANY SERIOUS EFFORT HERE? And now you show the MNOs how you REALLY ARE, by throwing the only person who supported you under the bus. Which means that if you were to get funded one day, that's what you'd do to the ENTIRE network! Like George Donnelly suddenly shifted and went into attack mode when he got defunded. BECAUSE HE WAS AN ATTACK ALL ALONG, THE *MASK* JUST CAME OFF.
Just like with Drako here.
>There isn’t going to be a backing down
You will have to back down. You're not getting funded, you're going to fade into obscurity. And if you don't go away, then we're going to keep attacking you until you do. You want to drag us into a "negative war" with you because YOUR PAID TO DISRUPT US.
> I know you believe
I don't believe anything FROM ANYBODY. As evidenced by how I destroyed you in argument here in these comments. Every comment chain is the same thing here, drako. It ends with you not saying anything. Because you're wrong and you lose, and you know it. So just cut your losses and quit talking. You're making yourself look worse and exposing the fact that you're a clown and an actor.
I'm not calling you names, I'm describing what you're doing. You KNEW this proposal wouldn't pass. This little song and dance you're doing is a CLOWN SHOW to give you a platform to carry out your ULTERIOR motive of decapitating DCG. Its not conspiracy theories, you idiot, YOU'VE SAID AS MUCH YOURSELF! You have made it clear that your proposal and goodwill is contigent upon them leaving, even though the majority of the network is AGAINST THAT. THAT MEANS YOU AND YOUR PROPOSAL ARE AN ATTACK, FOOL.
We will not allow you to disrupt and destroy with your "trojan horse" kuva proposal. Its time you left us alone and went to the other networks you threatened to go to if you didn't pass. Don't be a coward Drako, go through with your threats. Otherwise you look like a child.
>Your heart is in the right place, but your objective mind is clearly lost, and when the lights come on it won’t be pretty for you.
Another useless prediction from someone who's ego is far greater than their intelligence. Ego doesn't help predictions because it BIASES you and prevents you from seeing what's REALLY happening. If you were paying attention instead of lying YOU WOULD'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT ALREADY.
>Hyper-logical people like yourself are particularly susceptible.
The irony of this...the probably only semi-admirable quality of shills is their sheer audacity. They really like to piss on people and claim its rain.
Hopefully you stop being malicious and actually want to GROW cryptocurrencies one day. Until then, figure yourself out, Drako.
I’m not kidding, your fingers must run on meth or hydrazine or something equally hypergolic.
I can’t keep up. You win :) peace out.
Drako
After much discussion with Drako (roughly 50 comments back and forth), I can see that there is not going to be a good fit between us. Because of this, I'm changing my vote to a "No!" What? Why the sudden change? The information that I garnered during my debates with Kuvacash indicate that they have a similiarly nefarious agenda as the "anti-kuva" team (#2) I identified earlier. Before, Drako's comments about DCG were merely afterthoughts. Things he mentioned but that weren't central to the discussion.
However, its clear to me by the fact that Drako is unmoved by logical and reasonable arguments w.r.t. to Dash's growth over the last two years, that he isn't arguing honestly or fairly. That draws me to conclude that this proposal was never supposed to pass. Its just the same old split up song and dance. Causing cryptocurrency communities to split up is the most successful attack that can be used against them.
If Drako got what he wanted, he would remove our core team, ryan taylor and basically gain the clout that they once had. Its similar to what George Donnelly and Ed Stover did. They first sniped Ven. proposals even though they were from Colombia and had nothing to do with the original success of Ven. proposals. Sniping is when you attack a proposal or team in a place that's inappropriate for them to respond. This causes confusions, muddies the waters and creates chaos.
Look at all the arguing in this thread. This was, again, by design. Its not an accident. Kuvacash is just the "otherside" of the Valenzuela Dash-hit team. Its called "good cop/bad cop". One is abrasive and threatening so you get scared, the other pretends to "hold them back" and become your friend. BOTH OF THEM ARE WOLVES LOOKING TO EAT YOU (because they get paid the more people they lock up). That's what's happening here it looks like. Drako, like CSW, Amaury Sechet and a littany of others, relies on ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOR concealed as "autism" or some "computer person problem".
In reality, that is just deflection. They want cover so you don't realize they're trying to destroy our coin. The evidence points that way. Why would drako risk his proposal by literally attacking the core team? The core team sails through every month, and not because of nepotism. DCG has been reprimanded and rejected here before. Many times. MNOs are very harsh with DCG. Like DeepBlue. For years DCG recieved much flack for not responding to the community, all of that came from MNOs. So when they SAIL THROUGH EVERY MONTH ASKING FOR 2663 DASH, that means that the MNOs approve of their work.
So why the HELL is drako trying to stop that?! It would be one thing if DCG, Ryan or others have actually done something wrong. Something corrupt. Something untoward. Something that harmed the network. But that is NOT THE CASE. Which means that's Drako's agenda will come at the EXPENSE of our core team, right before evolution releases. BIG COINCIDENCE THERE, RIGHT? I don't believe in coincidences. Anything that is designed to "look" coincidental at first glance, is probably a trick.
Because of this, I recommend to those who wish to have a neutral perspective on this issue, to vote "No!" for this proposal. Let's get rid of BOTH SIDES of the kuva cash debate once and for all. Two years ago, when I wrote about Kuvacash being defunded I was very *bearish*.
Because to me, that represented a failure in our governance. The, at the time, only proposal that seemed be making traction, and it was defunded by malicious lies right before launch?! That again, was a "coincidence" that was NO coincidence. So it must be the peak of IRONY that kuvacash has now "returned" and attempts to do the SAME THING to the Dash network by trying to attack and behead our core team. Sounds like spite/revenge to me.
But Kuvacash being not funded *now*? This is a VERY BULLISH SIGN. Two years ago, we needed a proposal like Kuvacash. We needed something that could get a firm foundation and provide the growth that the network needs to overcome the malicious and hateful favortism of the market. But now? TWO YEARS ON? We don't need Kuvacash AT ALL. It would've been a nice have to remediate the network split and add their business to our fold. But the truth of the matter is, we need kuvacash about as much as we need Dash Force News and Joel Valenzuela. I.e. NOT AT ALL.
We have ~70k daily active users in Ven. We have ~6k in Jamaica. ~3k in Colombia. ~500 in Nigeria. In short, we already have more daily active users in several countries than most other coins! We have built that foundation and we don't really need kuvacash to grow and succeed anymore. Why Kuvacash wants to split our network is hard to tell, its also immaterial.
They are not necessary for our success and we shouldn't entertain their artificial split on either side. As I said, scissor-statement based splits are already happening in other coins like BTC, BCH and others. It makes sense they would also try this with Dash. Indeed, they succeeded a bit since the discord split. But the U.S./Western Dash community is pretty small compared to our Latin American community. This means that "split" only affects a tiny minority of the Dash network, a minority which pretends it has more power and clout than it does. We don't need them, and we don't need Kuvacash.
There aren’t 70k daily users. There aren’t 70k unique monthly user sessions either.
I don’t know what to say other than DYOR on the VZ stuff and you’ll see it’s not what it’s made out to be, by those who have vested interest in marking their own homework.
Thanks,
Drako
Harping on an honest mistake only shows your maliciousness Drako. Just like you negatively attacked AndyFreer for "incompetence" when it could've just been a legitimate effort that failed. You expose that YOU'RE the kook because you don't have goodwill for anyone in the network unless they're trying to get rid of DCG.
>There aren’t 70k daily users.
Roughly correct. On any particular day there are not 70k active users. But over 30 days there are.
>There aren’t 70k unique monthly user sessions either.
WRONG. How do you claim they're being faked? That is android download data from google. Where is the fakery? You're making claims WITHOUT EVIDENCE. That's what's kooky here.
>I don’t know what to say other than DYOR on the VZ stuff and you’ll see it’s not what it’s made out to be, by those who have vested interest in marking their own homework.
I don't know what to say other than you're a LIAR and I'm glad you're no longer a part of our community. I have no vested interests other than the Network's growth. And all objective metrics point to Venezuela being a massive growth region for dash.
https://cointelegraph.com/news/dash-sees-100-rise-in-commercial-payments-through-latin-american-partnerships
" Dash Sees 100% Rise in Commercial Payments Through Latin American Partnerships
Dash has announced a 104% rise in commercial payments through Q1 2020, along with increased adoption, trading volume and price performance. "
So yea, "DYOR". You sound like a LOSER who's UPSET THAT DASH IS GROWING IN VENEZUELA SO YOU LIE ABOUT IT. That means its all for the best that you were defunded 2 years ago and not funded now. Thank you for proving this for me!
C’mon where is the rigor? You’re as bad as the kooks with your bs...
There aren’t 70k daily users, not even ‘average daily users’.
Man, this is what I’m talking about. People like you just making numbers up, or hoping those numbers aren’t fake, when THEY ARE FAKE.
Have you ever looked into the tx volumes of Dash Mall and Parking? 5 tx a month? Or what?!
Lets keep paying them for nothing and misleading MNO’s. Somehow that will lead to the moongasm...
Thanks,
Drako
>There aren’t 70k daily users,
Roughly correct. There 70k users over 30 days, however.
>People like you just making numbers up
I didn't make that number up, you're lying. 70k active users in the last 30 days is a real figure. Just because I incorrectly simplified it to another number doesn't mean that it isn't real. This is exactly what I'm talking about, you're trying to use any emotional pain you can generate from harping on this error to due as much damage as possible.
But I'm not like you Drako! I don't mind being wrong! I don't even mind you LYING ABOUT MY ERROR to make yourself look as good as possible. Well, maybe because that makes you look really bad to anyone neutral. But the fact remains we have 70k active users in Venezuela, up 10x from a year ago.
You're trying to use emotional TORTURE to get us to forget that, because you have a divisive agenda to split the coin. Now that you've been exposed, it won't happen.
>when THEY ARE FAKE
No, YOU'RE FAKE. You'r opposition to core is based on false premises. Your claims are all LIES! You think you can dismiss 70k active users in 30 days (sheesh what a finger-full) because of simple mistake that I MADE. That's NONSENSICAL DRAKO! And you know it.
>Have you ever looked into the tx volumes of Dash Mall and Parking? 5 tx a month? Or what?!
Yes I have, HAVE YOU? They had 1300 transactions for SEPT YOU LIAR!
https://tracker.dashmallparking.com/
You can't even be bothered to check the data for your lies! For this month of Oct they have 1208 transactions! That's right on their website. This is what I'm talking about. You don't have any fidelity to the truth because you have a malicious agenda you're forwarding. This was never about getting your proposal passed, I can see that now.
>Lets keep paying them for nothing and misleading MNO’s. Somehow that will lead to the moongasm...
Strawman. No one in the Dash community has any hopes of "moon", especially with all the EMOTIONAL TORTURE the likes of you and the monero community engage in. No one has made any argument like that here, so the fact that you rely on defeating a STRAWMAN just shows how bad you are at arguing. You know you've been defeated, but your shill line won't let you stop. Just like flesnt. Fluffypony and the rest.
No thanks.
>Just because I incorrectly simplified it to another number doesn't mean that it isn't real
Obviously the correct daily figure is 70k / 30 or 2,333 daily users in Venezuela. I of course had a brain fart. But can you see the desperation to attack that error? Pretty stupid yeah, but not the end of the world right? In fact, the correct figure STILL MAKES MY POINT! There are 2,300+ DAILY USERS OF DASH IN VENEZUELA!
And of course, all the people who attacked me for my error, COMPLETELY MISSED THAT! That's what I meant before by our biases BLINDING us to the truth. They had to completely avoid pointing out the true number because they KNEW it still proved them WRONG!
It’s easier to just keep ones kooky head up ones arse...and stare at fake metrics. Yes therealDashman21 - the usage metrics in VZ are obviously FAKE and the lights will apparently come on for you when it is far too late it seems.
Keep paying for nonsense proposals and Hopium instead - although that is my definition of kooky MNO behaviour...
In fact come to think - why should MNO’s support any other platforms which support Dash, for that matter? Screw those platforms eh!
Dash only needs itself to survive, screw everyone else who can clearly see the clusterf*ck that the Dash project has become, right?
Wrong.
But whatever...you can keep your votes, and thanks for the help in making my point much clearer than I could ;)
Thanks,
Drako
Dash has PLENTY of real customers and users. 100 THOUSAND in fact. But again, its nearly impossible to convince a man to see, what he's paid not to see.
>and stare at fake metrics.
Citation? Where is your PROOF of fake metrics? If you don't have PROOF THEN YOU BECOME A LIAR, DRAKO. The fact that you don't care that you're LYING means you KNOW you have bad motivations. Thank you for proving it to us.
>obviously
Obviously? How can you fake Googleplay app data, drako? Please tell me.
>Keep paying for nonsense proposals and Hopium instead
We have 19 proposals currently up for vote:
1. dash platform incubator phase 3
2.BotDevelopmentTwitchYoutube
3. Dash Core Group Biz Dev (October - November)
4. DashBrazil
5. Dash Core Group Legal (October - November)
6. Dash x ReadyRaider Partnership Scaling Proposal
7. DeliveryServicewithDash
8.Dash Africa Desk - Biz Dev, Marketing, PR, Support - Q4 2020
9. Dash NEXT: BizDev, PR, Marketing, Adoption in Asia & beyond
10. Dash Core Group Compensation (November - January)
11. dash masternode tool update and infrastr
12. Official Dash NewsRoom [Public Relations / Communications]
13. DashElectrumOct2020
14. Dash Help Nov Jan 2021
15. Dash Retail Development (Fiat Payment, Ecommerce, Etc.)
16. Dash Mall and Parking Nov Jan 2021
17. dash text ongoing development nov jan
18. Dash Watch Q4 2020
19. Dash Nexus - maintenance, updates, and operating c...
All of these, except DashNews, are basically essential infrastructure for the Dash network. These proposals have built a lot of infrastructure for us, and some are new businesses of a pretty large size added to the network, like ReadyRaider's integration.
Dash Mall and parking, Dash retail (you yourself said was pretty good. No duh), Dash Nexus, Dash Watch, Dash Text (tranasctions are growing in venezuela on this platform again, a platform no other coin but BCH has, and theirs isn't funded and is shutting down, unlike ours which is growing).
Which of these proposals are "hopium" drako? Which are nonsense? Have you not watched people ACTUALLY paying for food, shopping, parking, delivery services in Venezuela with DASH? Do you not know that Rod from DashBrazil has gotten investors for at least 26 masternodes for the Dash network down there??? HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU KEEP IGNORING THIS AND PRETEND THESE PROPOSALS AREN'T GREAT!?
You're being arrogant, egotistical, ignorant and deceptive, Drako. Which means you're NO GOOD for the network!
>But whatever...you can keep your votes, and thanks for the help in making my point much clearer than I could ;)
Yeah, uh huh. Now you're definitely sounding kooky. You don't care about the facts, because YOUR AGENDA won't allow you to. Just like Amaury Sechet, just like George Donnelly, just like Joel Valenzuela, geert, agnew. YOU ALL are doing the same thing, using THE SAME TACTICS which means you're all the same. SCAMMERS!
Are you reading the proposals objectively therealDashman?
Other than 11, 18, 15 and 19 which are interesting and can add value (thank god at least some can), the rest are garbage and free of any cohesive strategy. 3, 5 and 10 are just DCG, delivering same old same with zero accountability, and the same old dead wood hanging on for years.
No investor in their right mind would scatter money at this rubbish.
Respected you earlier for the engagement and the critique, we were getting somewhere but you’ve clearly completely lost the plot and gone full kook. Shame.
For the record, I’ve never lied to anyone here or in the Dash community - prove otherwise or stfu. What you see is what you get and always has been, like it or not.
Thanks,
Drako
Are you? You just said THEY WERE ALL GARBAGE. That's CLEARLY NOT THE CASE, which means YOU'RE LYING.
>Other than 11, 18, 15 and 19
You said they were ALL GARBAGE aside from Dash retail. How can you harp on my little "mistake" above, and yet make this egregious backpedal?! You're a HYPOCRITE AS WELL drako.
>rest are garbage and free of any cohesive strategy.
Ok, so you don't like the Dash community. WELL GET THE HELL OUT!
>No investor in their right mind would scatter money at this rubbish.
Right, but we should fund you right? So let me get this straight, your solution is not only to fire DCG, but get rid of DashText, DashMallandParking, DeliveryServicewithDash (already hundreds of Venezuelans paying with Dash directly on a DASH ONLY SERVICE--unlike your service which is not exclusively Dash--), DashBrazil, DashHelp, etc. YOU BASICALLY WANT TO DESTROY THE ENTIRE DASH COMMUNITY!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thank you so much for the laughs Drako, I'm in tears! :) You're too much.
>Respected you earlier for the engagement and the critique, we were getting somewhere but you’ve clearly completely lost the plot and gone full kook. Shame.
Don't throw dynamite in glass airplanes Drako. You can't admit you were wrong because your ego is greater than your intelligence. You have been resoundingly defeated on every topic we undertook, proven by the fact that you had to stop replying and have now switched to 'declaring victory' where there was none; again, more hypocritical 'kookish' behavior as you put it.
If I'm being honest I always kind of doubted you, but I thought (naively) that you might still be a good person that was resonable and could be reached by reason and argumentation. Its clear that I was wrong.
>For the record, I’ve never lied to anyone here or in the Dash community - prove otherwise or stfu
I've already proven that you lied in these comments, so YOU STFU Drako. You are now becoming an EYESORE and I must say that I'm glad that our time together has drawn to a close. You have completely lost any respect I had for you, your lies about DCG, your lies about other teams, your lies about Venezuela have all revealed your true character to me. Thank you for your participation and may your non-hostile endeavors succeed somewhere else.
You can get off your moral high horse and fake representation of Dash. It’s a DAO and you don’t own or represent it.
All you can do is spout the same nonsense as every other kook. Sorry to see you triggered so hard but hey the truth is a bitch.
Grow up, and then you can thank me later.
Thanks,
Drako
Again, you didn't actually read what I said apparently. Neutrality is only necessary when you're evaluating your options. Eventually one option will appear better than all the rest. But only being neutral can help you see which one.
As I proved by voting "Yes!" for you originally, I started out neutral towards your proposal. However, you've clearly proven to be a net negative for the network as you are conditioning your goodwill on the firing of not only DCG, but also our growing communities around the world. Obviously there's no need for such a thing.
>You can get off your moral high horse and fake representation of Dash. It’s a DAO and you don’t own or represent it.
I've never made any claim larger than what I have. I've never gotten on any high horse. Well, except not being a malicious bad actor, like you. But yeah that's supposed to be par for the course in the DASH network. Its amazing how many ANTI-DASH MNOs and proposal writers we have...Thanks for validating ANOTHER prediction I made on reddit years ago btw! Drako, you don't realize it but you're giving me much more than you're getting!
>Grow up, and then you can thank me later.
Look, I understand. This is hard for you. You're being given a 25 year course on how to be a man in just 3 days. Its intense, I get it. But these are trying times and adaptability is the order of the day. So hop to it.
It’s not even real money, this is an online forum and you’ve lost the plot arguing with Drako’s avatar...
It is very MUCH so real money. As a matter of fact I've wanted to say this for a while now, but this is the main reason why Dash is SUPERIOR to every other coin out there (except maybe Decred).
In Dash, OUR DRAMA MATTERS. Our vote matters. Our arguments MATTER. In BTC? BCH? Monero? Everyone who is arguing online etc. are ALL WASTING THEIR TIME! They're not getting paid for that! They're wasting their lives advocating for coins that will never amount to anything (because they fundamentally were not constructed properly, like a house with a bad foundation), and not only that, but the time they spend arguing is completely UNPAID.
As a MNO and heavy dash holder and user, NONE OF MY ADVOCACY IS UNPAID. I am remunerated by my masternode for participation in these debates among other works. Which means that THIS IS REALLY WORTH IT. So you're wrong Drako, THIS IS REAL MONEY.
>lost the plot arguing with Drako’s avatar...
So what, who are you, DarkSeid now? Drako's so "multidimensional" he doesn't even have time to argue himself so he sends "an avatar"? Give me a freaking break. Not even Darkseid was actually doing that. You lost Drako, grow up and accept it already.
I guess you win, congrats!
I unequivocally agree with all the points you make, including future ones.
Thanks,
Drako
Cheers
Indeed, and you are welcome for all the engagement this proposal has generated. Cost $300 instead of $5k thanks to the kooks like you turning Dash into a shitshow, along with the incompetence of DCG despite millions in funding. What fun!
For reference,
https://kuva.com/whitepaper
Wallet here:
https://www.kuvacash.com
Have a go on kNET by downloading Kuvacash wallet - fully supports Dash, on and off-ramp to fiat, instant exchange as well. And maybe a free premium card for MNO's, one of the best in all of crypto or maybe not - it's been interesting so far :)
Thanks,
Drako
Look, I know you’re annoyed at being a kook - tough to have to face the fact that it’s people like YOU responsible for the tumbling of Dash down to where it is now. But grow the f up lol!
You’re welcome for the renewed engagement in Dash, and that I could be of help to kooks like you as the current Dash ‘bogeyman’ :P Julio and George eat your hearts out!
Meanwhile clowns like you keep on blindly voting for the actual cons in the DAO, and keep your heads up your arse while you hold your Dash bags while high on Hopium to the very bottom.
You could instead vote for actual value, in the case of this proposal - delivered to your doorstep. Watch the demo, understand what has been built, and what this proposal was actually for.
This proposal is proof to all who are watching inside and outside Dash that kooks run the show, and they won’t even vote for a free card and the chance to give themselves free money! And that the leadership in Dash is weak and stuck, with the CEO himself having to resort to cowardice and lies to try to do ‘damage control’.
Get my point?
Thanks,
Drako
You say that as if it's a bad thing to refuse a bribe.
Instigating a flamewar in the DC comments section is not what I would call "renewed engagement in Dash".
This proposal will remain just one of the indelible records of the sheer incompetence of Dash MNO kooks like BigRCanada and Agnew...
Let’s see how history plays out ;)
In the interest of saving time, this paragraph serves as the Tl;Dr. It is my opinion that the network is currently suffering from a 'scissor-statement' related, artificially created split. This split prevents rational discourse about proposals and the people involved, causing much collateral damage as both sides draw in third parties to bolster their arguments, thus preventing the DAO from funding good proposals like this one (yes, I conclude we should fund this proposal despite taking Drako and kuvateam to task below). The solution to this, and the way to defeat all 'scissor statements', is to enter a mindstate of neutrality.
When one does this, they will be able to casually and calmly evaluate BOTH SIDES without regard for the emotional spikes that non-neutral positions (i.e. biased ones) cause. If you are emotionally attached to either side, then you will place greater weighth on the arguments, reasoning and rationales that support your side, while almost completely ignoring the same for the other side. This causes both sides to engage in EGO BASED fighting, where the debate devolves into mud flinging, name calling and attacking related third parties in order to do as much ego damage to the other side as possible and win. This EGO BASED fighting causes THE TRUTH TO BE MISSED by both sides simultaneously! We'll see more of this below. Let's dive in:
Part 1: the personalities
There are 4 main interest-groups mainly involved in this split:
1. Kuva team (and those on their side)
2. The anti-kuva team (Led by the other side of the split)
3. Interested but neutral third parties (like DCG)
4. The rest of the voting network (who 1-3 are trying to influence)
Ok. So what I'm alleging is going on here, is that group 1 and group 2 are participating in an artificially created skirmish, one that has no end and will only bring destruction to the network. Indeed, I alleged this to be the case when I first took up cause for Kuvacash and against group #2 two years ago in 2018. Although that may sound like it violates my status of neutrality, it doesn't. I was neutral back then until it became clear through arguing with group #2 that their demands were completely unreasonable. I've documented that and the roughly 48 hour period I spent arguing with 6-12 people about this proposal several times on reddit and here on DC. To save space I will ellide these proofs unless asked for in the comments below.
That being said, its quite clear that "it takes two to tango" and group #1 is definitely doing all they can to create bad blood. Most egregiously, group #1 employs similar disinfo tactics to a lighter degree than group #2. So what the heck is going on here? I wrote about scissor statements 2 years ago and explained that they are statements that cause a split between a previously unified group. These splits are caused by unconscious, unknown but fundamental differences between significant numbers of the group. Usually related to some political ideology or personal philosophy, like capitalism vs communism, Trump vs Biden, Democrat vs Republican. Take heart and rejoice, Dash network! For you are going to be the first public institution that is IMMUNE to scissor statements!
As I mentioned back then, scissor statements are extremely powerful and useful in disrupting and destroying communities. Look at us here, 2 years on from the discord split cause by Valenzuela and Kuvateam, THEY'RE STILL FIGHTING! They are stuck in a negative energy tornado that just keeps spinning and twisting and destroying wherever you see them! Notice anytime "Kuvacash" is brought up, its usually a shit-show! That's by design, it is not a fluke. BUT! Scissor statements have two very important and deadly weaknesses for their user. The first is that scissor statements DO NOT WORK AT ALL on people who deliberately choose an honestly neutral stance to begin with. The second is that when the first happens, the scissor statement BACKFIRES and causes the group not to split, but to become more cohesive! This is because a truly neutral stance is one that is FREE FROM BIAS in any direction; this means that ALL OPTIONS ARE TRULY ON THE TABLE AND EQUALLY EVALUATED. Given enough time and information, this means that THE BEST OPTION IS OBVIOUS AND EASY TO SELECT.
All over we can see this in communities that are large enough to be a threat to banks. BTC was split by a scissor statement over "blocksize increases". BCH was split by a scissor 'statement' about Blocksizes (again) with CSW. BCH is going to split YET AGAIN with a scissor statement about "funding" and "dev taxes". Eth and Etc split similarly. These splits depend on the collective values of the communities they target. The only way to stop the splitting is to become NEUTRAL so you can see who's good objectively and who's bad objectively, this is possible once again because you're not attaching your emotions to either side. Which prevents you from IGNORING the negatives about your favorites as well as preventing you from HIGHLIGHTING all the bad parts about your competition. In other words, it prevents HATEFUL AND MALICIOUS FAVORITISM. This is something I've railed against many times in this forum, and even now on DashRetail and other "not in the clique" proposals, you can clearly see geert and others push cynical reasoning to get them defunded.
So what's the best option here, then? Neutrally evaluate all parties and come to a conclusion on this proposal. Why evaluate all parties? Because then you can see who has what motivations and you can calibrate their praise/criticism based on their interests to see if they're being biased or neutral. If they're biased they probably don't have the network's best interests at heart, but their own. Otherwise, they would happily share their "biases" with the rest of us instead of colluding together and pretending to find fault where there is none. Neutral people are also the best qualified to do this evaluation. And since I was there in 2018 and argued both with and for Drako, I feel it is a good thing that I provide my opinion on the matter so that other neutral observers may weigh in and have something to go by as well. Without further ado, my evaluation of those 4 parties as implicated in this comment section! Truth and reconcilliation is anathema to scissor statements and its exactly what we need here. A neutral review of all parties involved therefore is pertinent.
The Kuva-team
My opinion of the Kuva team is high but lower than it was 2 years ago. As I said earlier I'm voting yes for this proposal. However, its quite clear to me that the kuvateam is doing all they can to ruffle feathers and create controversy. This is not an effective strategy to accomplish the goals that Drako claims that he has. He claims that the network is full of 'kooks', indeed, his kook list is highly agreeable to me. Yet, instead of choosing the best way to defeat these kooks, calm, dispassionate neutrality, this team appears to have chosen an ego-based tactic for victory, i.e. a highly biased (and thus highly polarizing) strategy.
This is the same kind of thinking we see in BCH ABC's amaury setchet and formerly george donnelly when he worked for them. You can still see it as the various sides in BCH vie for power. Why does this happen? Because the people using this strategy are TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR CONTROL AND INFLUENCE. Its completely biased, egotistical behavior. Its not good for the network as a whole in general. Benevolent dictatorships cannot last. Decentralization is therefore in the best interest of the network's long term survival. But we have people like Drako trying to INCREASE their influence by PUTTING OTHERS DOWN.
This might seem hypocritical because I criticize EXACTLY THE SAME PEOPLE AS DRAKO, JUST AS HARSHLY. But the difference is I don't know who these people are or care. I have no personal feelings towards Joel Valenzuela, Ben Swann, Drako, Max, James, Macno, solarguy, basilpop, tao or any of the others on the 'kook' list. But the kook list should be renamed to the EGOTIST LIST. Those who value their OWN INTERESTS more than the network as a whole. I put Kuva team, agnew, and the other no-voters-with-no-reason on this list. Remember, if EITHER SIDE wins, its bad for the network as a whole.
Examples of this are the LIES against Dash Core Group and other performant DAO teams. We discussed this before Drako, you can't GET ANYWHERE if you're not telling the truth! You say below that you have the only proposal that provides ROI (besides perhaps Dash Retail). With respect, get the hell out of here! That's preposterous AND YOU KNOW IT. There are *over 100,000* active users of the Dash android moble app in the last 30 days. Not downloads, ACTIVE USERS. That's 10x more than the online users on the most popular crypto subreddits! 4.3k r/bitcoin, 3.4k r/cc, 821 r/btc, 559 r/monero. I choose active users over total registered because total registered is not very reliable and it would be a bad comparison to active dash android wallet users anyway. Dash has more people downloading an app to make payments than the largest cryptocurrency subreddits have speculators talking about them! Name me another coin with that distinction (electroneum)? 70% of those active users, or 68,000, are VENEZUELAN!
On Andyfreer for example, its quite possible he's completely incompetent, although highly unlikely. This is another thing that tells me that Drako's position is more based on ego than reality. Ok, Mr. freer is incompetent. But he hasn't worked for DCG for a while now (i.e. according to you was let go). So...what's the problem? The system is working isn't that right? And even if "evolution had to be rewritten" again, this is not as big a deal as you're making it out to be. Sometimes when you have a vision you start building on that vision, but you discover other things you need to make it work. Sometimes this requires a rewrite. It happens in software.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill. Evolution is REAL. Andyfreer's development program is producing REAL APPS and real results. DELIBERATELY IGNORING THIS indicates you have an agenda. People can succeed after failure, but ego doesn't see it. Ego doesn't let Drako see that DCG has overseen the most performant technology releases in crypto out of any coin! PrivateSend, instandsend, chainlocks, DRAKO DO YOU THINK THIS COMES FROM NOWHERE? Ok maybe you could've done it faster or whatever, or you were "smarter" than everyone else and saw how to do it first, BUT QUIT BEING SUCH AN ASSHOLE! Rockstar programmers FIND THEMSELVES OUT OF A JOB ALL THE TIME THESE DAYS, and if you're not a programmer that diva attitude stuff lasts about as long as a toenail, so you should change your tune to one that is more collaborative and humble.
Finally, you make the same stupid argument about price that others made (like Deepblue, whom I've defeated twice in argument). Look, if you're reading this comment, go to https://coinmarketcap.com/coins/ select "filters" then click "mineable". Ok? Dash is still #9. Dash has been #9 FOR YEARS SO STOP SAYING WE'VE FALLEN. ITS NOT TRUE! You're a smart guy Drako, YOU CAN SEE THIS. No matter what went on with DCG, andyfreer, positions or non-positions, NONE OF THAT has anything to do with the price or our rank. Forget about marketcap! If you can print a crazy supply you can have a higher marketcap, ITS A RIGGED GAME, OPEN YOUR EYES! Any argument based on fake evidence IS FAKE TOO!
The anti-kuva team
What more needs to be said about these guys? Kook is a good word for them. They're clearly emotionally invested in the WORST interests for the network. Rent-seeking and preventing others who are hard working from gaining favor. Cliquish, disgusting behavior full of lies and selective half-truths designed to turn the rest of the network against the proposals that PROVIDE REAL ROI. These people, whom Kuva-team well listed are bad news for the network. They will never stop and they really shouldn't have masternodes as its a massive conflict of interest. Both sides of the kuva split are to blame, but certainly the blame rests mostly on their shoulders.
It was WRONG to defund KuvaCash without cause. It was WRONG to spread malicious lies about them. Even now, what reason do they have to vote no? 103 comments and I don't see it. The card/mno rewards are actually not that bad of an idea. It makes sense considering how irrationally hostile the MNOs were to Kuva in defunding them. So they incentivize MNO participation. Yet the anti-kuva team twists this into a bad thing. You guys are assholes. You will never be satisfied until Dash is completely destroyed. So its in our best interests that you guys just get lost. Your coins will not survive the coming drought no matter what you do, so just leave us alone.
Interested but neutral third parties
Kuvateam made quite a few accusations against DCG, Ryan taylor and others in these comments. Its quite possible that those comments are accurate. As a matter of fact, let's assume that they're 100% accurate. I.e. for the sake of argument, let's assume Drako helped DCG ALOT, DCG offered some position and it was forcefully poopooed by untoward behind the scenes action (something I've alleged for years now). Even if every criticism that Kuvateam made against DCG were true, I still do not believe that that warrants either the harsh replies from Kuva nor the general disrepect that drako has thrown their way. If you can't respect others, why the HELL should they respect and help you? So your proposal is going to come at the expense of other's ego? They're going to be your sacrificial lamb Drako? That's no way to get a proposal passed. You can't win by being an asshole to everyone. That you would take this tactic alone tells me that you're in it more for ego than for the network.
But those criticisms of DCG, if true should cause the network to pause a bit. Because it means we have a personnel problem. There are people that not only shouldn't be in the network, but they have a hard time getting fired! I know and have argued with and defeated the same in argument many times! I have called some of these named individuals out. People who throw their weight around to feel good about themselves. In other words, PETTY EGOTISM! The network is not benefitted by this and Ryan and DCG should consider this as a formal reprimand from a MNO who is TIRED OF SEEING hateful, malicious favortism win out over honesty, truth and hardwork. If you're not for the network then GET OUT! If you're only here to cause trouble THEN GET LOST! There is NO REASON that A PROPOSAL TO IMPROVE THE DASH NETWORK should bring out this much anger, vitriol and trollish behavior. That it DOES indicates that this is the desired outcome.
The fact of the matter is that DCG has never been said to be perfect. The cryptosphere is a whole lot of SHIT that one must wade through in order to find diamonds. Our core team has made mistakes in personnel, they've made mistakes in timing, communication, and deployment. But their heart's in the right place. And they HAVE PRODUCED MUCH GOOD WORK.
For the network to heal, we have to accept that DCG, Ryan Taylor, Max, Drako, myself, ALL PARTICIPANTS are flawed. This we can forgive. Its a RED HERRING to focus on perfection to the exclusion of results. Failure is to be forgiven when efforts are sincere. WHAT WE CANNOT FORGIVE, however, is malicious behavior. Because that's the behavior our enemies will engage in, in order to disrupt us, split us up and destroy our network influence. Causing a split is easy when you can get everyone's ego involved by constantly hurling personal abuse at others. It is this that I believe is the cause of Drako's own anti-personal behavior. Apparently, this feud simmered beneath the surface for 8 months before I went in to investigate it 2 years ago! That's a long time to try and keep someone from getting DAO funding. You gotta wonder what is the motivation for behavior like that?
The rest of the voting network
The least talked about but most important group here, those reading. We need to be able to neutrally evaluate proposals without caring at all about the personalities involved. Unless they're scammers or bad actors, then we should act with prejudice to defund and shun them from the community. Like a bandaid, just rip it off. No need to "hold back" or "spare their feelings", they hate Dash and the network anyway, just cut them off and let them go. Infiltrated masternodes are not a problem thanks to PoSe scoring; that is as long as we, the neutral voting network, do our job and evaluate this proposal and others neutrally without biases. That is all we have to do, scissor statements make this DIFFICULT by muddying the waters. Everybody is at fault so its hard to decide who's right. So everyone "takes a side". Be neutral first. Gather all the evidence from the beginning. Weigh each side THEN make your choice. I've made mine as you'll see below.
Part 2: The proposal
The actual proposal itself is great! I don't care about the rewards, the card or any of that. To me, that shouldn't even be necessary, but I know that this team has dealt with hostility from the MNOs before, so it makes sense they'd want to sweeten the pot to get this to pass through. Which is itself proof that the anti-kuva team are bad actors, because they deliberately and spitefully rejected this "olive branch". You only do that if you want to go to war with someone. And the only reason to want to go to war with Kuvacash (while pretending its about drako) is because you don't have the network's best interests at heart. If you have a proposal like kuva cash, and you pass on it, most people would agree that would be a huge mistake in hindsight. The anti kuva team want to emotionally torture the rest of the network into making this bad decision and blaming it on "personalities". That's why they make it all about drako. Drako is AN IDIOT (at best) for playing into this and attacking everyone and everything.
We're done with that. No more hypocrisy, favoritism in hiring (relegating those you don't like to poverty and death), wage slavery and exploitation etc. Dash means we get to be human beings again. That means RESPECT for everyone. That means EVERYONE GETS A CHANCE. My issue with the anti-kuva team isn't so much their angst against this proposal (which is completely unjustifiable imo), but its with the precedent they set. Basically, unless you're kissing their asses, you can't get a proposal passed. This is basically what Amaury Sechet tried to accomplish on BCH with the IFP. Its much more transparent there, but it is the same here. Unless you "kiss the ring" you can't participate in the DAO. I don't remember reading that sentence in the Dash/Evolution whitepapers.
Obviously its in the best interests of the network that something like this takes off and happens. So you have to wonder at the motivations of those like agnew, geert, macno, andyfreer, bigrcanada and the like in viciously attacking this proposal by focusing on ad-hominems, strawmen and other "kookish" behavior. That's a really good word for it. They've chosen things that are difficult to argue against. Because, they're supposed to be for the network's interests. They're MNOs for crying out loud. Yet they're always attacking our growing proposals. Why?
There was never any justification for defunding kuvacash in the first place. The reason for it back then was cynicism, i.e. 'well they're not getting funded so maybe we should defund them?' What?? Do you see how hard that is to argue against? That doesn't even make sense. We're *supposed* to fund proposals. Especially ones that actually provide adoption. I mean these same people voted a hearty YES! for "Dash-farms" and "dash-cam life". Completely AMATEUR HOUR PROPOSALS. Stuff we would greenlight back in 2016 maybe, but these guys were "sure" they would be good for Dash. Huh? But the proposal bringing Dash to the unbanked with govt approval gets flamed? That indicates a huge conflict of interest.
A proposal like Kuvacash should SAIL THROUGH! Working with local govts for dash adoption?? YES!! Millions in investment, vc, and other interested parties looking to make this a reality?? DOUBLE YES!! So why are these guys PRETENDING like they have a legitimate reason to be against this proposal? Because they don't have the network's best interests at heart, and they want to trick the rest of us into forwarding their agenda. Vote Yes! and put an end to this vicious cycle!
It's taken many months and a lot of acrimonious debate to get the nerd herd to recognize this wolf in sheep's clothing for what it is -- a wolf.
I'll say that I did try to enage with softer tactics back in the day, but none of that worked - to get attention and engagement in Dash seems to require a freight train approach. Let me know if you can suggest something different...
Also, regarding the current state of the Dash wallet and the opportunity in VZ. The numbers were so faked (active merchants and users) as to make Dash a bit of a laughing stock. I don't know what analytics give 100k current active users of the Dash wallet, but if that is the case then all good - although how this hasn't exploded the value of Dash I don't know. There isn't much 'liquid' Dash out there, so I don't think there's a lot going on.
My criticism of DCG and in particular Andy Freer and Ryan is completely on point, as time has actually already told. Freer is an utterly incompetent CTO and unemployable buffoon. Ryan is proving to be a chinless corporate plodder who might have been a good general manager but is totally out of his depth as CEO of DCG. He is also a liar and coward. It's not even the chronic delays, but the complete lack of innovative vision, urgency and competitive drive in DCG that is the problem. Everyone is sitting on their salaries, smoking the hopium.
I mean, Dash had actual DeFi aspects and back in 2017. PM me for some spooky strategic pre-2017/18 bubble stuff and I'll send it to you, you can tell the network what you think. Also take a look at https://kuva.com/whitepaper for a real whitepaper that introduces new ideas, compare with the pointless 'Evolution' trash Andy Freer distracted everyone with...
Dash needs a change of leadership, a real vision to develop/redevelop and a de-fanging of the kooks. I'm not sure how to do it, but if it doesn't happen expect the same trajectory for Dash - straight to the shitcoin pile - whether there is an Evolution/Platform or not in the next year or two.
Thanks,
Drako
NO OTHER COIN IS EVEN CLOSE TO THIS. Monero is jumping for joy at scratching together $321,300 for 7 months via *volunteer donations*:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jazo8n/monero_atomic_swap_project_raises_over_290k_in_48/
7 months of DAO funding is $2,588,376 at this price! Furthermore, unlike Monero and BCH (with flipstarter), DAO funding is NOT COMING FROM THE COMMUNITY, i.e. we're not recentralizing already mined coins. Dash's treasury renews itself and with a fixed cap on issuance there can be no runaway inflation. This means that Dash has the ideal funding mechanism in all of crypto.
SO JUST WHO THE HELL ARE YOU COMPARING US TO DRAKO? When you speak of these "great and lofty failures", WHO IS SUCCEEDING WHERE WE ARE NOT? You say we need a "change in leadership", yet we're the only coin that pays not only their core team hundreds of thousands of dollars, but more than a dozen other teams around the globe. Nobody else has that. We have that thanks to our leadership and our community's response to that leadership. Ignoring this makes you look malicious.
From where I'm standing, the leadership did NOT come up with the DAO concept and the funding system of Dash. That was Evan. I'm sorry to say they have done nothing to really push the dial to where it should be, for the amount of funding being taken in.
This isn't a malicious positioning, it's just the truth. I'm happy to eat my hat and let bygones be bygones, but let's see a real change instead of the same old same - otherwise it can't be kumbaya, and you tell me how you get change to happen in such an environment. I'm giving this method a go for now - exposing the liars and cranks, and unemployable grifters is just part of taking out the trash.
The next thing to do is to appreciate what is good about the DAO. I don't mind Dash Retail - Ash is someone who appears to be working to create something of value (although it also won't be a Dash exclusive proposition from what he says). He also has a little bit of insecurity about Kuva, for no good reason in my opinion - but its easy to tell he isn't a scammer or grifter, and he is producing something necessary, together with professional financial reporting to DW. We just need more of that kind of thing imo.
Thanks,
Drako
That's true, its also a strawman. I didn't say "DCG=good because DCG exists", I said, "DCG=good because *privatesend, InstantSend, Decentralized Governance and funding, and soon DAPI ALL EXIST*. You don't fire teams for SUCCESS ONLY FOR FAILURE. And even then only when their failures outweigh their usefulness.
In order for you to prove your arguments against DCG YOU HAVE TO PROVE THEY'RE A NET NEGATIVE FOR THE NETWORK. You can't just prove that "hurdur andy freer is a tard so core should be fired." That's FOOLISHNESS!
>near-zero accountability.
Dashwatch is accountability. DCG is exempt from them but only because they provide even more and better accountability with their reports than Dash Watch gives coverage for. Your arguments just ring hollow to me. Don't you watch the quarterly reports where they list the finances for the quarter, the spending, salaries, direction for the project, growth for it, previous successes and failures? I do and what you say does NOT match what I see.
>but let's see a real change instead of the same old same
Real change always starts from within. Look in the mirror if you want to see real change, you will NEVER find it anywhere else. Ever. So stop looking, you're wasting your time.
Thanks for reading
Dashwatch is an external accountability function - I don't mind if another external accountability function audits/attests DCG but it does need to be them not marking and positioning their own homework because 'they are special'. Especially not at this point when they take the lions share of the funds, and have been abysmal in their delivery of anything. Their reports leave much to be desired, but you are right in the fact that at least they do report something that looks meaningful, which is better than most proposals.
But I'm looking for something else, something that doesn't look like the slowpoke of DCG. Call me an 'activist shareholder' who has put a lot of investment in a wallet that supports Dash and which we'd like to see improve.
Also, DAPI isn't released yet, and I'm not even sure how fit for market it is - I've not criticised this, I've critisised the no-vision approach to building it, the insipid leadership and the eye-watering delays.
Andy Freer was fired, for being a tard and an incompetent, by DCG themselves, for single-handedly leading Evolution down the abyss where it then had to be rebuilt from scratch (whatever it is - unclear at this point also). MNO's who don't know what a buffoon looks like will go ahead and fund whatever proposal Andy Freer posts up...sit and watch.
Thanks,
Drako
Again, its not because they're special, its because Dashwatch is frankly not funded nor able to do the same thing with the same efficacy as DCG. DCG prepares professional reports and they are audited by outside parties IIRC (I believe Ryan mentioned this). Dashwatch is 2-3 guys. DCG is at least 24 fully paid devs plus I think 7 part timers with more volunteers. I don't think DashWatch could do DCG's books as well as all the other **18** proposals.
Which you never mention in your criticisms btw. Can you address the fact that Dash is currently the only coin with nearly 20 decentralized distributed teams of dozens of developers, biz dev leaders and other individuals working to spread adoption? In VZ, we had 80+ people on the payroll spreading adoption, which is how we got to 20k stores accepting us.
>, and have been abysmal in their delivery of anything.
This is your personal opinion which I have shown is biased and not reflective of reality. You are misrepresenting Core's achievements and skills because you have a personal vendetta against them. Unless you provide me anything of actual substance I'll refrain from commenting further as you appear to be out of ammo. But know that you are wrong in your assessment of DCG.
>report something that looks meaningful
Talk about understatement of the week! Do you know how much reporting the BCH, nano, XMR and LTC core teams do? NONE!!!! LTC doesn't really have a core team (that whole governance and funding thing I mentioned) yet they are "larger than dash". BCH ABC = no transparency. XMR core team = no transparency.
Ph.D. funding came from general fund even though the community didn't agree to that. And you're criticizing our core team who provides quarterly in depth financial reporting, has done all they can to decentralize their control over the network, provided much BIZDEV and other integration help?
You're biased dude. It shows and its not helping you. We don't need assholes who are always right. We need collaborators, and people who WORK WELL WITH OTHERS. If you can't do that, then maybe its for the best that your proposal doesn't pass.
See, the reason Dash is falling is probably because people in the market make the same SUPERFICIAL evaluations of Dash that YOU'RE MAKING OF DCG. I.e. completely ignoring everything good (look at how most of your comments are completely negative about DCG), and highlighting everything you feel is bad. THIS IS BIAS and it won't help you pass your proposal!
>Also, DAPI isn't released yet,
Irrelevant, its on "evonet", testnet by Q4 which means its real and live in some form. Which means your criticisms are all HOLLOW. If DAPI releases and does what it says it does, then that means that Dash will be the best, most performant and easiest to use coin. Funny, that's the same rationale to vote FOR your proposal, but you don't understand how hypocritical you're being...I can see why you rub others the wrong way now.
>Andy Freer was fired
Which means that DCG did the right thing, then, even according to you, so what's your problem!?
What problem do you have with mr freer'ers proposal? I've watched it grow its added more developers to the network and given us ROI in the community that will soon blossom. Again, I don't see things how you do and the fact that you don't evidence your claims makes them much weaker.
But kooks still pollute the governance of Dash, and DCG is still slow af without true accountability.
Don't you agree?
Thanks,
Drako
Bullshit. PS works fine. I use it all the time. Evan invented instantsend, but he didn't invent it like it is now. He didn't had instantsend by default, he didn't have chainlocks. All that came from DCG. All of that was implemented by DCG. Dapi is "interesting"? Yeah, ya think?! Geez....
>Don't you agree?
I agree about the kooks but not DCG. DCG being slow is a GOOD THING. Look around, there are none others doing what we can do or even getting close to trying. Dash is poised to eat the lunch of Eth, BCH, BTC, Litecoin, XRP and all other coins in the next two years and you're complaining about the kooks. Well that's good. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
Thanks for reading.
Only people with an agenda because they don't like that Dash has strong, optional, on-chain non-custodial privacy and has FOR YEARS. You're sounding more and more like a monero troll with every post drako.
>There are no strings attached to the funding other than we need to support viable coins.
Yeah sure, liar. I've already proven you're a liar twice in this comment thread, no reason you'd stop now.
>Which is why I’m here debating and trying to get a sense if Dash is just a majority of kooks - or if it will be viable long-term.
That's a bullshit rationale. If you thought they were somehow 'more viable' (even though they lack decentralized governance, decentralized funding, decentralized global adoption teams, etc.) then YOU WOULDN'T BE HERE RIGHT NOW.
That is, unless you have a malicious agenda to attack our core team and cause a split in our network before evolution releases. Our competition will not be keen on seeing such a release devastate their FAR LESS DECENTRALIZED offerings.
>And maybe helping in getting it to be viable, instead of continuing to tumble into the abyss.
We don't need your help, Drako.
Thanks,
bye
The baby is stunted, if you will. There needs to be better leadership and more accountability in DCG. And the funding of crap proposals needs to stop.
Thanks,
Drako
> Presently those other coins you mention are eating its lunch.
Yeah, except they can't grow any further because their architecture's are limited, just like BTC's is. You sound like a fool drako. You either don't know what you're talking about, or you do and you're pushing a false agenda. Either way, YOU'RE TALKING LIKE AN IDIOT.
> And the funding of crap proposals needs to stop.
Right. Good thing you're not getting funded then I guess? Glad you're taking my 'look in the mirror' advice so seriously!
Further, I disagree completely. PS only requires a single button click. How can you claim that is "rubbish" and "unusable"? Do you not know how to use a computer? Its clear you're lying because you have an AGENDA to push. The last desperate attempts from our competition to slow down our burgeoning growth. That's why you deliberately ignore it and pretend its not happening.
YOU NEED IT NOT TO HAPPEN FOR YOUR AGENDA TO WORK. Did that VC come with strings attached, Drako?
Privatesend is a shitshow - even people in Dash will tell you that.
There are no strings attached to the funding other than we need to support viable coins. Which is why I’m here debating and trying to get a sense if Dash is just a majority of kooks - or if it will be viable long-term.
And maybe helping in getting it to be viable, instead of continuing to tumble into the abyss.
Thanks,
Drako
> Let me know if you can suggest something different...
Yes, neutrality. By being deliberately neutral you cannot be accused of being biased and thus will not only always come to be the best conclusion, you will also convince more people that way.
>The numbers were so faked (active merchants and users) as to make Dash a bit of a laughing stock.
The numbers were NOT FAKED. The numbers were ALLEGED TO BE FAKED. Those ALLEGATIONS WERE FALSE. YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THE RESULTS OF OUR WORK IN VENEZUELA ON THIS WEBPAGE HERE THAT YOU JUST HAVE TO CLICK ON:
https://beta.dashwatch.org/labs
There it lists CLEARLY, IN ENGLISH, USING ROMAN NUMERALS, that there are 68,258 active Venezuelan android wallets opened within the last 30 days. That's not total installs, that's ACTIVE WALLETS. That number ITSELF IS UP TEN TIMES FROM ONE YEAR BEFORE. Kindly show me WHERE THE HELL you know of any other coin with that many users and that much growth. If you can't show that, THEN STOP SAYING ITS "FAKE ADOPTION". The numbers are RIGHT here. Neutrality also prevents you from making mistakes like believing LIARS LIKE GEORGE DONNELLY and EDWARD STOVER who attacked the teams in Venezuela and pretended the numbers were faked.
The numbers ARE NOT FAKE. Dash REALLY IS accepted at over 20,000 stores thanks to to efforts of our teams. Dash REALLY IS accepted at various malls and parking lots, used for 17,000 commerical transactions a day according to coin telegraph.com and other reportings FOR OVER A YEAR NOW.
I'm sorry but there is NO EXCUSE to be THIS LOUD about the situation in Venezuela and also be THIS IGNORANT about it! The information is out there and if you truly were against 'kooks' and 'scammers' then you would DO WELL TO REVIEW BEFORE YOU SLANDER THE VENEZUELAN TEAMS AGAIN. You're doing exactly what they're doing to you and its NOT HELPFUL!
https://cointelegraph.com/news/dash-sees-100-rise-in-commercial-payments-through-latin-american-partnerships
"In the same period, the median number of daily commercial payments using Dash grew to 17,127, a growth of 104% year-over-year."
>although how this hasn't exploded the value of Dash I don't know.
Because:
For one the market is not fairly evaluating Dash. There were SEVERAL TIMES in the last year the price of Dash spiked and reach $100+ and exceeded the marketcap of monero (and the $200 million dollar moving average above us they ludicrously hold), only to be SLAPPED BACK DOWN below their marketcap. As if there were some glass ceiling there. This is indicative of manipulation.
For two, the markets that Dash is exploding in do are not traditionally wealthy countries. They're full of unbanked people who need Dash as a payment system, but they don't necessarily contribute a lot of USD value (because their currencies are relatively worthless compared to USD). But eventually, having a large userbase around the globe will pay off. It certainly has for our transactions.
>My criticism of DCG and in particular Andy Freer and Ryan is completely on point
Your criticisms might be but you can never get around the fact that Dash is where it is precisely because of DCG. Not you, not kuvateam, not me, DCG. DCG gave us privateSend and continual updates. That's one usecase that Dash has under its belt that its better than any other coin at. Greatest anon set in the shortest time, cheapest amount with the biggest spendable network effect. And you just say forget that. Or instantSend with Chainlocks. THE ONLY FUCKING POW COIN WITH INSTANT TRANSACTIONS FOR A YEAR, and you just "forget that".
Don't throw the damn baby out with the bath water. Yes DCG has made some mistakes. What so we should fire them? Fire Ryan Taylor? Why? For what? YOU SOUND LIKE AN IDIOT. You sound like an idiot because I'M NEUTRAL AND YOU'RE NOT. You are speaking from your EGO, not from reason. REASON dictates you look at the SUM TOTAL of their work, not just their failures. Until you can see that, you can't have this discussion and YOU YOURSELF will perpetuate this vicious cycle. Your choice.
>Freer is an utterly incompetent CTO and unemployable buffoon.
Maybe. Guess what? Dash is still the most performant, most well governed, most decentralized, fastest, most private, most scalable coin with the broadest usecase (DAPI). So what the hell are you even talking about? NOBODY CARES about your characterization, they care about RESULTS. And right now, you're misrepresenting the results of DCG's work BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PERSONAL VENDETTA. Can you not see that this will HAMPER YOUR EFFORTS TO PASS YOUR PROPOSAL?
HUMBLE YOURSELF. ADMIT THAT YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW EVERYTHING. LEARN FROM OTHERS. STOP TRYING TO SHOVE YOUR IDEOLOGY DOWN THEIR THROATS. BEING RIGHT IS NO EXCUSE TO BE AN ASSHOLE!
>It's not even the chronic delays, but the complete lack of innovative vision, urgency and competitive drive in DCG that is the problem. Everyone is sitting on their salaries, smoking the hopium.
This does not jibe with the reality that I see. I am intimately checking all aspects of Dash's development every day to verify the value of my investment. I have Dashnexus, Dashcentral, dashpay, beta.dashwatch.org ALL ON F5. I'm watching Andyfreer's proposal as well. So I know that this is GARBAGE. Evolution's delays are explainable to software development issues which are common. Eth is still trying to deploy 2.0 because their architecture is broken NOW. Dash isn't. YOU IGNORE THIS AND WEAKEN YOUR ARGUMENTS! IT MAKES YOU LOOK BIASED AND FOOLISH THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THAT NO OTHER COIN IS CLOSE TO US.
That means your criticisms are PERFECTIONISM which is THE ENEMY OF THE GOOD! We're here for the GOOD because THAT'S what's achievable. BY RESULTS, your argument IS WRONG!
>I mean, Dash had actual DeFi aspects and back in 2017
Dash is the first defi coin. Dash STILL has defi aspects. Masternodes give 6-8% a year, treasury, +mining rewards ecoystem = defi. 10% of Dash coins go TO PAY PEOPLE TO DO WORK. That's decentralized finance at its DAMNED FINEST. So what are you saying? Do you even know??
>Dash needs a change of leadership
No. The people in the Dash community need a change of vision, i.e. YOU NEED YOUR EYES CHECKED!
> a real vision to develop/redevelop and a de-fanging of the kooks.
The kooks are losing, but YOU KEEP FEEDING THEM. Don't feed the trolls, adopt neutrality so you can neuter their lies, don't adopt their tactics and fight at their level! Good luck and I hope you pass.
The only time I went against VZ (some time ago, 2018/19) was when it was clear there was fabrication of financial documents by Lorenzo et al to deceive Dashwatch. There was also an audit by another chap of the merchants, and a lot of hopium being sold which was of dubious quality. I didn't have time for that scammy stuff, but TBH there were worse proposals then anyway.
Now things may have really changed - I don't know and I don't comment anymore about VZ. It's a tricky jurisdiction and I don't understand it well enough. If indeed there has been real success - then you need more than a Mark Mason talking about it, and there needs to be further investment and understanding of the local strategy in VZ, simple as that. That is something I can support for sure.
Quick re-eval. The reason Eth 2.0 is taking time is because it is orders of magnitude more complex than Dash, it also doesn't have this whole centralised masternode community which is happy to run whatever DCG asks them to run. But DCG have just dawdled, with no real vision for what the product is. The wallet is a mess, not fit for market - maybe one day it will be, but not today. Maybe I need my eyes checked - but maybe they see things that are plain obvious from where I'm standing. DCG has pissed the opportunity up the wall, and continues to do so. Perhaps some REAL pressure wouldn't come amiss to get them to wake the f up.
Ah and therealDashman21 - you aren't neutral. And I'm glad - neither am I. Nobody is, we all have our opinion and approach. Neutral isn't really in my DNA - if I see it, I'll call it out.
Thanks,
Drako
They really have, but Dash has never been "a scam" in VZ. VZ came to the DAO ONE YEAR after grassroots efforts took off in their country based on a real need for decentralized digital cash. They were ATTACKED just like you're being attacked now. You would think you'd have some sympathy for them...
>The reason Eth 2.0 is taking time is because it is orders of magnitude more complex than Dash
Wrong. This is development and you're getting into my area of expertise now. This is tangetial to this discussion, but Eth 2.0 is taking time because ETH WAS ARCHITECTED IMPROPERLY. Eth is solving a problem for which there are no users.
Decentralized compute is not what we need, we need decentralized data. We have cheap, personal computation devices, running smart contracts and a "global computer" only has few niche use cases. Like ICOs (which are mostly scams), tokens and "defi".
However, because blockchains WERE NEVER DESIGNED FOR COMPUTATION, Eth is not scalable. This was not realized apparently until late in the game. Suffice to say it is inefficient to run computations on blockchains and verify them around the world. Dash is better because it was designed and architected properly.
Data is what we need to be stored and decentralized. Its OUR DATA that is valuable to fb, MS, amazon and everyone who is chomping at the bit for it, not our computation. So ETH is itself a bit of a red herring. That you cannot see this implicates your view of DCG in my mind further.
>entralised masternode community which is happy to run whatever DCG asks them to run.
So happy that we're still wating for 80% on 16.0.1? Your biases are showing Drako... You're not even trying to make legitimate arguments.
>The wallet is a mess
What's wrong with the wallet? I use it to make dozens of transactions literally all the time. privateSend works great (just click a button), instant transactions by default, voting, masternode control capabilities. Its like you're from the twilight zone or something man...
>Maybe I need my eyes checked
Yes. I said you had a "vision" problem earlier, glad to see you came to the same conclusion!
>DCG has pissed the opportunity up the wall, and continues to do so.
We just have to agree to disagree here; for me, by results DCG has well earned their position and they have succeeded in their goals. Dash wasn't always this smooth, didn't always have instant tranasctions by default, so many strong private send rounds, etc. We have a robust network of fully paid nodes that do everything that every other coin wants to see and you don't like it. I don't get it. I can only conclude its because you're biased.
>you aren't neutral.
I am, as evidenced that I'm voting for your proposal despite so heavily disagreeing with you personally and the way you argue. I am clearly neutral as I further defend you from others who attack you, again despite our differences. I accept your admission on non-neutrality, as I called it out already. My suggestion is to bury your ego and become neutral so you can build an airtight case and STOP WASTING TIME.
Again, up to you.
Thanks for reading!
Last post for today - been interesting -
1. Privatesend is a horrendous mess - you need to look at what a normal user expects to see from a contemporary app, not the mess you've been staring at for years. It's fine for OG Dashers, but nobody uses it. In this respect my eyes are just fine. It's fixable, but currently awful.
2. They took too long, burned insane amounts of money and delivered 'something'? Not good enough. But my expectations are maybe too high, who knows. I'm still scratching my head as to why Tungfa and Weicko haven't been fired - they aren't there for their skills, they are there for tenure.
3. The 'Global computer' of Eth is about to usurp BTC as a store of value, and even fire out a diverse range of apps which will, in addition to all the DeFi stuff, probably include some cash-wallet like use cases. Maybe Dash DAPI will do something to move the dial, but presently nobody is really listening. I am bullish af on Eth, always have been. Their software ecosystem is amazing, and some of the best-written out there.
4. My focus is Kuva and our own network kNET - aside from the odd proposal posted here, I'm looking to fix a lot of the issues I've seen and experienced within our own ecosystem. Dash is a part of that ecosystem, and we can provide real value to it if MNO's want with our proposal. Better than just another exchange integration or some expensive spokesmodel or pizza meetup. A real way to use Dash, delivered to your door, for free by a team that has proven to deliver beautiful software that actually works...let's see who bites and who smarts in the end.
Thanks for the chats and actual, meaningful debate on here - this is the kind of engagement that is far more interesting.
Thanks,
Drako
This is about UI issues which frankly are not specified by you. What is so "horrendous" and "messy" about it? Its literally click a button and send funds. Its no different than regularly sending money. You need to be specific. Nobody using it isn't true either. I know people who use it as well as using it nearly every day myself. I click a button and its in the background.
There's also privatesend available in Dash Electrum on android and MyDashwallet. As far as usability goes, its par for the crypto course, but nothing about it screams to me as particularly "horrendous" or "a mess". Such charged language without evidence only goes to weaken your position in my eyes, which are as sharp as an eagles.
>It's fixable, but currently awful.
How can it be fixable if you don't say what's wrong with it?
>too long
Citation?
>burned insane amounts of money
CITATION?
Neither of these criticisms are accurate or grounded in reality. Dash evolution was rescoped and is set for release in the coming months, 6 years after Dash released. BTC is 11 years old (nearly twice as old as Dash) and doesn't have instant transactions, protocol level privacy, nor governance or decentralized funding. All that were developed, tested and successfully deployed on the Dash network over those 6 years.
So again, how can you claim that they "took too much time"? What/who are you comparing them too? What is your measuring stick? Because nobody has EVER done any of these things before, so how are you so "sure" they took too much time and "spent" too much money? Why do you think you know everything when you clearly do not?
>I'm still scratching my head as to why Tungfa and Weicko haven't been fired
You'd have to be specific on what they've done wrong. And where the hell have you been btw? DCG has provided an open question format for criticisms exactly like this on their quarterly calls.
Yet I've never heard ONE SINGLE PEEP about any of this from you on there. Why not? If you really have these concerns, wouldn't it stand to reason to bring them to the people you're concerned about themselves? Instead of running an online smear campaign which has nothing to do with your proposal?? So many questions...
> The 'Global computer' of Eth is about to usurp BTC as a store of value
Doesn't matter, it will hit a scaling ceiling and like BTC will be stuck there. Dash will slowly but firmly and surely overtake ALL of ETH's usecase. Its already started happening. Zaiga(r?).com replaced Eth with Dash because of Dash's much cheaper fees and faster transactions.
> I am bullish af on Eth, always have been.
Because, respectfully, you don't know what you're talking about. The other things you might've had a good argument for, but you're clearly out of your depth here. Eth is in a WORSE position than Dash. That you cannot see this heavily tarnishes your appraisal of core. I can't emphasize that enough.
>Their software ecosystem is amazing, and some of the best-written out there.
Again, just a wrong, brain-dead comment here. This stuff is really tangential to your proposal so I don't want to dismiss it but I can't let this foolishness stand. Eth's software ecosystem is IN SHAMBLES! Solidity is a bad language because you have to learn it just to use ETH which is its ONLY usecase.
With DAPI you can USE ANY LANGUAGE YOU LIKE! DAPI is clearly the more scalable and well-designed architecture from a software development perspective. I speak authoritatively on this, YOU ARE WRONG.
>My focus is Kuva and our own network kNET
Yes as it should be, my advice to to focus SOLELY ON THAT and to SHUT UP about other teams. Did you not learn your lesson before? Your brash, abrasive style does not HELP you in this environment.
Focus on your Kuva project (and on the legit scammers too, thanks again for that!) and leave the sniping for people/teams that have actually produced bad RESULTS. Stop looking at personalities, woulda/couldas and all of that. Look at results. There is none like DCG when it comes to that, and results are ALL that matter.
>Thanks for the chats and actual, meaningful debate on here - this is the kind of engagement that is far more interesting.
Thank you!
Just going to address a couple of points above - I’ve done the rest to death.
Tungfa and Weicko I have given plenty of detailed critique on.
A project manager that presided over the wastage of multiple millions while delaying Evo, an out of control project that got canned...
Tungfa - the near illiterate communications manager with zero imagination, a robot could do his job better.
DYOR on these two peeps.
Re DAPI not sure what I’m wrong about, you are becoming polarising and a bit of a bullshitter yourself now and it’s killing your argument.
Just to reiterate - I have been going on about the dead wood for years in DCG in plenty of detail, both to Ryan direct and also within the community back in the day. You can go back and read those criticisms which are not only still valid, but have led us to where we are today, and inefficient DCG and the blind kook mob following them into the abyss.
Re the open questions, these are so filtered or brushed over so as to be comedy. Just need to open your own eyes in this respect, Don’t get drawn in to your own nonsense either man. Stay ‘neutral’ or whatever.
That’s me for the week.
Thanks,
Drako
That's NOT what I asked you. I asked you WHY you have not brought this up on the quarterly calls, you know, the place designed *specifically* to ask these kinds of questions?
These accusations have NOTHING to do with your proposal at all and if you're going to make accusations like this, yes you'd better be damn sure you have evidence of you trying to do your best to kick "it up the line" appropriately, while causing THE LEAST disruption necessary (and no more). The tactic you've chosen is akin to a bull in a china shop and it doesn't indicate that you really want this proposal to pass.
If you don't honestly make that effort, I guarantee you that I will be a LOT more "polarising" towards you than this! There's a lot of money on the line Drako, I don't know why you're choosing this as a hill to die on, but if that's how it has to be then that's how it has to be...
>A project manager that presided over the wastage of multiple millions while delaying Evo, an out of control project that got canned...
Evolution is NOT canned, its to be released on testnet in Q4. A "rewrite" is not the same thing as being canned. Which means there was NO money "wasted". The race isn't over yet, you only lose when you "sell" and we haven't sold anything. You're using charged, *incorrect* language because you're too egotistical to admit that your core team attacks are biased and based on your own personal assessment, not necessarily an unbiased one that has the benefits of the network in mind.
>Tungfa - the near illiterate communications manager with zero imagination, a robot could do his job better.
I never disagreed or agreed with your characterizations, I asked you deliberately why you're bringing this up here instead of on the quarterly calls where these individuals ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS about their performance. Dodging my questions and repeating yourself makes you look 'kooky', just as you accuse others of. Be honest, stop trying to force your anti-core agenda. I can promise you this if its between DCG and you, I'll choose DCG everytime. So now what? Do you want to go from 1 supporter here to 0? As always, YOUR CALL.
Aside from being completely ineffective, your strategy of blaring your unflattering (more so on you than your targets) opinions of others in public with little regard for decorum doesn't build confidence that you can work well with others.
WE DON'T NEED DIVAS AND ROCKSTARS. I'd rather have 10 average to above average coders than 1-3 rockstar coders! If you can't work well with others then what are you asking for money for?? DO IT YOURSELF! Otherwise learn to be less disruptive.
>DYOR on these two peeps.
I never said you were wrong or right, I only question why you're bringing that here. You have not answered that. Its not relevant and it makes you look like a JERK. This is supposed to be about your proposal but somehow you're spending time aruging with the only person supporting you about another team. How on EARTH do you expect to get anything done with such a frenetic and schizophrenic approach!?
>Re DAPI not sure what I’m wrong about, you are becoming polarising and a bit of a bullshitter yourself now and it’s killing your argument.
You don't know what you're talking about, so I'll wink at your ignorance here.
>I have been going on about the dead wood for years
What you seem to not understand, Drako, is that PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO BELIEVE YOU. You have to MAKE AN AIRTIGHT CASE WITH **EVIDENCE** and SOURCES. That means WHEN I QUESTION YOUR 'CONCLUSIONS' AND OPINIONS WITH EVIDENCE OF MY OWN, YOU RESPOND WITH EVIDENCE OR YOU SHUT THE HELL UP! This is not a pissing match! You are asking for A LOT OF MONEY and you are YELLING AND SPEAKING AGGRESSIVELY AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO YOU.
You are NOT going to succeed like this and you DON'T SEEM to care. Which means your motivations would be BAD for the network as a whole. It should be a CLEAR SIGN TO YOU that the ONLY PERSON who defends you here IS YELLING AT YOU RIGHT NOW!! Stop and THINK before you reply further.
>You can go back and read those criticisms which are not only still valid,
How can they be valid? I remember arguing with you about those criticisms 2 years ago privately on Signal, I WAS RIGHT AND YOU WERE WRONG! In those two years, DCG has seen MANY updates and improvements to the network INCLUDING INSTANTSEND BY DEFAULT. The Dash Network has been continually improving at a steady and almost BRISK pace while our competition languishes without funding, growth or adoption. AND YOU'RE IGNORING THIS.
Again, if you're going to respond to me, then CUT THE FUCKING BULLSHIT and respond with evidence and logic ONLY. I don't give a damn about your ego, or your feelings, Drako. If you don't have anything of substance to respond with, THEN SHUT UP. You are accusing our core team of gross malfeasence based on an imaginary, unspecified standard that's IN YOUR HEAD, in the WRONG PLACE (your proposal isntead of theirs or the Q'ly calls).
You don't have the right to say "my criticisms back then were valid" WHEN YOU WERE DEAD WRONG! You predicted Dash to crash and burn back then, AND YOU WERE WRONG! We've grown by LEAPS AND BOUNDS SINCE, not only in adoption, but transactions, users, and global clout. Cointelegraph, criptonoticias and others routinely print GOOD MATERAL about us. THIS WAS NOT THE CASE 2 years ago when you said that, which means YOU WERE WRONG.
If you think this is polarizing, and "bullshit" then maybe step back and ask yourself if you're the problem here or not. I have demonstrated several times how your thinking and behavior are NOT HELPFUL to the DAO and even to your own proposal. You turn this into a FARCE when you use this chance to fund your proposal to snipe at your competition.
>You don't know what you're talking about, so I'll wink at your ignorance here.
When you understand the architecture of ETH and the architecture of Dash, both layer one and layer 2 with DAPI (techinically layer 3), you can clearly see that one is built like a skyliner and the other is built like a bicycle. Just like you wouldn't pedal to Paris from New York, you wouldn't try to use 'a global computer' for what Dash is trying to do.
Can you run decentralized dropbox on Eth? No. Can you store data on Eth? No. Why not? Because you could, but its really inefficient, slow and wouldn't be scalable. In other words *it can't do what DAPI is aiming to do*.
If you're someone who's supposed to be as smart as Drako, in his position, and you cannot see this for yourself, then it causes me to question the validity and seriousness of your concerns with core. How do I know they're not similarly naive and lacking in understanding of the fundamentals involved?
There's no good reason to assume they're not.
Please don’t try to be another nutter who thinks they own the network. We don’t work for you therealDashman21 - Dash is a public network, although one might be forgiven for noting the centralisation of it and the proliferation of kooks.
I’ve brought all of the detailed critique aplenty, in detail, in the communities and on earlier quarterlies. I’ve asked for Ryan’s resignation as well, directly to him in Slack. I also took direct action to fix things - like the logo, chained instantsend, the strategy (technical and business)...so it seems you’re getting to the place where you’re now making stuff up or being wilfully ignorant. I’ve invested a hell of a lot in Dash, time and money and the integration of my own business. So don’t be one of the truly ignorant ones - we were having a decent discussion until it started to get kooky shades...
I’ve had people ask questions for me in the quarterlies when I didn’t attend after they appeared to be more of the same corporate stalling and placating that I was used to in my management consulting days - nothing new.
Also, I’m actually not sure if you are in the same reality as the rest of us - Dash HAS crashed and burned unless you are seeing it through its tiny bubble of its now-shrinking ‘community’. It literally fell out of CMC and onto the shitcoin pile. A minimum of new people are coming on board or are excited for Dash.
The lack of true strategy and vision led to where we are - if you are happy with this, then I think you’d better take your blinkers off and look up.
My warnings and my criticisms have ALL come true. This is one of the reasons the kooks really don’t love me. That those gazillions of users haven’t materialised - and true growth is stunted to the point nobody is really calling Dash a ‘success’ unless they are lost or clueless. If you see something to indicate otherwise then please cite your sources here - I see little activity across the Dash network, and 100x Dash’s liquidity across, say, BTC and Eth. I see props like Crypto.com and Wirex with millions of users and dash still plugging its mediocre wallet downloads. This is abysmal for a project of its size burning the money it burns every month ineffectually.
Our own experience is with Kuvacash is that people are asking us why Dash is in out wallet at all! 99.9% of all crypto buys by new people in Kuvacash is BTC! I can send you a little screenshot of our backoffice sales if you like. And Kuvacash just happens to be in a market that has a critical need. Dash isn’t fit for that market in its current form, so I can’t see how it’s fit for market in other soft-currency markets either. The problem is its ecosystem and also that people in soft currency markets hedge in the currency they pay their suppliers! Ie USD...that was also gained from our direct experience in the field, and why we have our active stablecoin, the USDk. What is your own PERSONAL experience - and I don’t mean the made-up stuff you think is going on - I’m interested in your direct experience.
Because that’s my DIRECT evidence and experience in an actual business that supports Dash - Kuvacash.
Happy to be enlightened though. Give me your actual sources if you have some different view, and I don’t mean some made up spreadsheet or some numbers committed by the kooks.
I don’t have much further to say about the DAPI other than we run a huge project and have no pressing need for it presently, at least not to get customers excited and using the wallet. And that is what I’m mainly concerned with.
I think the issue is that you are using your ‘technical’ brain, and not listening to your business brain. Business wise, what
Is the purpose of the DAPI, and how does it lead to growth? Nobody explains this, and kooks just assume ‘build it and they will come’ like Field of Dreams...
Evolution is dead it is now called ‘Platform’. The original vision, which Andy Freer warped out of all recognition and was responsible for trashing, has all but gone. It was a colossal mess for years, I got to see some of the incompetence there as well, and question it and the wastage by DCG. If you want to know what really pissed Andy Freer off is me asking him why they were developing it initially in NodeJS and JavaScript, a non-typesafe language, rather than something like Typescript or better, Go or Rust or (perish the thought) C#. Instead they were going to be dealing with npm and all that horrendous crap, not to mention the roadblocks you’ll get with the limited scoping in js. Obvious from the start wouldn’t you say? Andy panicked with this (proven valid) critique and started with his blackmail to Ryan. Ryan capitulated because he was weak and thought Andy Freer had ‘evolution in his head’. Thats a fact.
I’m well aware of the differences between the two architectures - ETH and Dash AND kNET with its layer 2 - Kuva (kNET) goes one step further with its own layer-3 on-network metastructures such as subquorum vaults for taking custody from off-network assets.
Unlike Andy Freer, I actually have a degree in Electronic and Computer engineering. I wrote the entirety of our whitepaper and the technical concepts in it - have you read it? It’s unchallenged to date.
https://kuva.com/whitepaper
Care to critique that? Because you’re the one starting to sound kooky to me now. it’s like you’ve not actually looked at my/our work.
Read the Kuva whitepaper for real, and watch the demo of the Kuvacash wallet. Link up with me on LinkedIn and go read some of my patents before spouting off.
Even better though, download the Kuvacash wallet and try it out - if you are in the right state of mind, it will probably turn the lights on for you, and you will be able to compare what people REALLY want to use, with the abysmal shitshow that is the official Dash wallet.
Thanks,
Drako
Not at all. I ASKED YOU where this evidence is. I NEVER SAID YOU DIDN'T DO IT. Lying makes you look bad Drako.
>I’ve invested a hell of a lot in Dash, time and money and the integration of my own business.
Irrelevant. I'm sure basilpop, solarguy, agnew and geert also have a lot invested in Dash, that doesn't mean a damn thing. They're still shills and liars. And that's what you'll be if you continue lying about core and other teams.
>I’ve had people ask questions for me in the quarterlies when I didn’t attend
I'm asking you for the evidence, not for platitudes. You are sniping at another proposal without cause in YOUR proposal. No matter how you slice it, THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATE BEHAVIOR!
If you have a problem with Core THERE ARE PLACES to air that out. I've NEVER heard you ask ANY OF THESE QUESTIONS about performance, andy freer, DCG etc. in public. We had a guy that put a proposal up to "fire RT" a while back. Was that you? THAT PROPOSAL FAILED!
> I’m actually not sure if you are in the same reality as the rest of us
You're right, because your reality is FALSE and scripted. It does NOT reflect the actual situation.
>Dash HAS crashed and burned unless you are seeing it through its tiny bubble of its now-shrinking ‘community’. It literally fell out of CMC and onto the shitcoin pile. A minimum of new people are coming on board or are excited for Dash.
This is an argument that you're using as a false justification to attack core. DASH'S PRICE IS BEING MANIPULATED THERE'S NOTHING CORE COULD'VE DONE. You and I aren't "in the same reality" because you are DELIBERATELY refusing to acknowledge even this possibility. That is because YOU HAVE AN ANTI CORE AGENDA! In other words, you're just as bad as Valenzuela.
>My warnings and my criticisms have ALL come true.
No, they were ALL FALSE. You literally said we would crash and burn TWO YEARS AGO in short order if Core wasn't replaced basically. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. Even your "CMC" reference is FAKE, by MINEABLE currencies we're still in the TOP 10. MARKETCAP IS A FAKE METRIC, so the fact that you refuse to give up your criticisms based on it, implies heavily that you are only using it as an EXCUSE to attack the core team.
> and true growth is stunted to the point nobody is really calling Dash a ‘success’ unless they are lost or clueless
You're the one who is being deliberately obtuse, Drako. Dash has 100,000 active android wallet users. Not downloads, Active users every day. ALL OVER THE GLOBE. NO OTHER COIN HAS THAT, so that MUST be a form of success. Success YOU'RE IGNORING BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN AGENDA!
>see something to indicate otherwise then please cite your sources here
I already have, You haven't cited not ONE SOURCE for your argument, which means you're being a hypocrite too. My support for you and your proposal is waning fast Drako...
>. I see props like Crypto.com
Crypto.com is a scam. Of course you like it!
>Our own experience is with Kuvacash is that people are asking us why Dash is in out wallet at all!
Then GO AWAY! Succeed on ETH! Bye bye!
>Dash isn’t fit for that market in its current form, so I can’t see how it’s fit for market in other soft-currency markets either
How many claims without evidence is this now, Drako? Dash is the ONLY MAJOR POW currency with fully paid nodes, instant transactions and protocol level privacy. You've exposed your true motives here. You're here to split up core/our network with a "poison pill". No thanks Drako, you apparently don't need us (because you don't care about getting your proposal passed) and we DEFINITELY don't need you, judging by the last two years of success that you're desperately trying to pretend didn't happen. We didn't have 100000 active androids users TWO YEARS AGO, YOU LIAR. We didn't even have 100,000 active android wallets LAST YEAR. So you deliberately ignoring this to make your point is evidence that you have an ulterior motive that you're not disclosing. This proposal was never meant to pass. This was just your way to attack Core. Clearly we don't need something like that.
>What is your own PERSONAL experience - and I don’t mean the made-up stuff you think is going on -
Is it a coincidence that you dismiss my evidentiarily cited claims without evidence, and make claims without evidence of your own? That's not how a debate works Drako, you're using dishonest debating tactics. Either respond to my evidence with evidence or shut up! You're the one making things up here. You're the one pretending we don't have 100k active users AS MASSIVE GROWTH over the two year period where YOU WERE NOT ACTIVE IN THE NETWORK.
You're the one who is making things up and being delusional, which means now you're gaslighting me. If I needed a reason to switch my support, I already had one, but now there's no choice.
>Happy to be enlightened though.
You're lying. You're NOT happy. When I PROVED TO YOU that we've grown considerably, you even admitted you were wrong about VZ, Jamaica and other growth regions. Yet you've just "forgotten" that and are back to your shill line. Which means YOU'RE THE KOOK DRAKO.
>I don’t have much further to say about the DAPI other than we run a huge project and have no pressing need for it presently
Hey Drako, STOP BEING AN IDIOT. You are a centralized service, of course you don't need it! YOU SOUND LIKE A FOOL. Dash is a DECENTRALIZED CRYPTOCURRENCY TRYING TO BUILD DECENTRALIZED SERVICES. SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO SOME RESEARCH!
>Evolution is dead it is now called ‘Platform’.
If Evolution is dead, then kuvacash has been buried and turned into a skeleton years ago...
>developing it initially in NodeJS and JavaScript, a non-typesafe language, rather than something like Typescript or better, Go or Rust or (perish the thought) C#.
Prototyping in simple languages is normal. There is nothing wrong with that. Furthermore, Rust, Go and C# are all not good choices because Dash is written in C++. Javascript is easily interoperable with most other languages, Go, Rust (for now) and C# ARE NOT! To someone who knows what they're talking about, YOU SOUND LIKE A COMPLETE FOOL DRAKO!
Again you're trying to air dirty laundry for those who are not technical to gin up support for an Anti-core position. THIS IS NOT AN EVIDENCED BASED ARGUMENT. You are using HEARSAY and not allowing Core to defend themselves, because this is not the appropriate forum for this criticism.
Which means you're deliberately being malicious. You can call this "kooky" but that's ok, because WE DON'T NEED YOU, Drako. You need us. You cannot accomplish your goal to split our network up without our participation, and as I've shown, you're not arguing honestly or in good faith. So the negativity you desire to grow against core will not be fed!
>I’m well aware of the differences between the two architectures
If you were you wouldn'tve said the DUMB THINGS that you did. That's how I knew your arguments were not based on facts, but were based on an anti-core agenda. Anyone in your position that would make such a STUPID argument, either doesn't know what the hell they're talking about, or they're not being forthcoming in their motivations. Its the latter with you.
>Obvious from the start wouldn’t you say?
Not at all. Not at all. There could be any number of reasons for what you're describing and trying to put the most negative spin possible. You've been outted Drako, you're "burned". Just stop.
> I actually have a degree in Electronic and Computer engineering.
Yeah, me too. You're not scaring me with anything you've written. I've danced around you so far and don't see anything even remotely "technical" that supports this deviant position you've taken. I see the arguments of A SHIILL AND A LIAR. The same arguments I saw that day with Valenzuela.
> I wrote the entirety of our whitepaper and the technical concepts in it - have you read it? It’s unchallenged to date.
Why would I? White papers are meant as technical briefings and overviews of new techniques and technologies. WHY THE HELL would they need to be "challenged"? The only way a "white paper should be challenged" is if it takes a POLITICAL STANCE.
>Care to critique that? Because you’re the one starting to sound kooky to me now. it’s like you’ve not actually looked at my/our work.
First of all, that's a non-sequitur. Me not critiquing your paper has nothing to do with "kookiness" or not. Your whitepaper is not the topic of discussion here mr. moves the goalposts. The question here is should you be funded? THE ANSWER IS NO!
>Read the Kuva whitepaper for real, and watch the demo of the Kuvacash wallet. Link up with me on LinkedIn and go read some of my patents before spouting off.
No. I've made my choice Drako. I have decided that despite the work you and kuvateam have put into your proposal, that the network would be better off if we passed on it. Thank you so much for all you've done for the network until now and I'm sorry that this is the end of our working partnership.
Good luck to you and Kuvateam in your future endeavors!
And we'll do this in part to short-circuit the kooks and maybe that will get the lights on and get something to change in Dash.
Thanks,
Drako
Word to the wise: Never give this guy money for anything.
Andy Freer
I told Drako that he should start as a volunteer contributor (as we had no money anyway), share his ideas and work on implementing them, and if things worked out and the budget materialized, we would work on defining a formal role as we organized into a real company (Head of Strategy was the leading candidate based on the description he provided of what he wanted to contribute). He never received any formal offer to join the team, was never paid, never held an official title, and we quickly decided to not work with him in any capacity.
DCG was formed in July of 2017, which formalized the organization of the former "core team". Drako had not been a part of the predecessor team for months by that point and was not extended an offer to join DCG.
Also i clearly stated my reasons for voting No on this proposal, since you seem overlooked those reasons i will repeat them for you :
* Too little value for the Dash netwerk itself. We need deveopers working on Dapps, not fund integration of payment cards on a Kuvacash wallet that took the diversification route with other coins a long time ago.
* Amount asked for funding too high. Risks of this proposal (once funded) not reaching its objectives also too high
* Drako through his behavor has created severe trust issues with a lot of masternode operators (including me) and Dash community members.
* Kuvacash seems to be in the same position as in 2018 / 2019 : Still looking for launch funding.
* No equity for our DIF.
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/kuvacash-pilot---zimbabwe-uk-and-south-a (May 2019 : Supported by me)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/KUVACASH-NOVEMBER-LAUNCH-FUNDING (October 2018 : Supported by me)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/KuvacashBaseFunding002 (April 2018 : Supported by me)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DASHKuvaCashProject (September 2017 : Supported by me)
Maybe next time read all comments before attacking people.
Yeah, maybe in this comment thread but the only reason for freer to say that at all is in response/to get ahead to the argument from Drako. Without drako you wouldn'tve know about it at all, point still stands.
> Too little value for the Dash netwerk itself.
Completely wrong. How can it be "too little value"? What proposal has provided more value than what KuvaCash is proposing? Kuvacash is proposing cards that actually are non-custodial, the SAME THING everyone was saying they needed earlier this year when Dash retail was debuting their offer.
There was even a proposal to develop EXACTLY THE SAME kind of card technology, that was non-custodial as well. That proposal was well-recieved IIRC so what are you talking about? This doesn't make any sense, you have to IGNORE what kuvacash is bringing to say "not enough value for dash".
>Amount asked for funding too high.
Again this is a STUPID REASON to vote no. Proposals have costs. DCG is asking fo 2663 Dash and we all agree (at least I hope) that they should be funded. Its not about "amount asked" its about ROI or potential ROI per amount. And if Kuvacash succeeds and brings Dash adoption to the countries they say, in the way they say they will, then that ROI will be fulfilled. Again, this is NOT a good reason.
>Drako through his behavor
NOT A GOOD REASON/TOO VAGUE. There has to be a REASON to vote no. You can't just "vote with your feelings". This isn't a presidential election YOUR VOTES ACTUALLY MATTER HERE. SO STOP USING BAD REASONING AND DUMB LOGIC. If Drako scammed someone, committed fraud or did something else that should label him as a "criminal" or "persona non grata" in the network THEN LIST THE EVIDENCE AND GO FROM THERE. OTHERWISE SHUT UP!
>Kuvacash seems to be in the same position as in 2018 / 2019
Two things: DUH THAT'S BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T FULLY FUNDED. Do you not understand how this is supposed to work? These things COST MONEY. THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY. EVEN IF THEY DID, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO USE YOUR OWN MONEY FOR THIS. You go to an investor, you provide a pitch, they like it (or not) and you get paid (or not). So if they don't get funding YOU CAN'T USE THAT AGAINST THEM, THAT IS CYNICAL AND STUPID REASONING.
TWO: They are NOT in the same postion. Before they didn't have everything that they have now. The card wasn't ready and they definitely didn't have as much private funding as they do now, so no this is wrong too. They have grown considerably DESPITE being defunded. YOU HAVE NO GOOD REASON NOT TO FUND THEM.
>* No equity for our DIF.
Since when is that a requirement for DAO funding? I didn't read that in the white paper either
>Maybe next time read all comments before attacking people.
I read them all. My attack against you was justified.
Thanks,
Drako
You are a liar and a coward, as below.
Thanks,
Drako
YOU personally offered me the position of Head of Strategy, and we agreed a salary of 100k USD per annum. Correct?
You were then blackmailed by Andy Freer, whom you feared had ‘evolution in his head’ into not formalising the position - although for sure we made the agreement. Your ‘correction’ is borderline misleading. I also wanted to kick out Tungfa, who remains a useless person in Core, only there because of his tenure.
Care to enlighten people about the rest of what I’m saying, since many MNO’s see Andy Freer as a Saint when he was anything but. You yourself despised him and couldn’t bring yourself to get rid of him. Maybe if that decision had been made years earlier things might be different in Dash.
Want me to enlighten everyone about a few other things besides, then keep poking the bear. Also, as per my multiple slack messages last year to you, yes you should resign as CEO, but try find someone at least half interesting and dynamic to replace you, it would be the one interesting thing you could actually do in all the years you’ve presided.
As CEO you have demonstrated a ineffectual, weak and insipid leadership which has led Dash into being just one more coin in the pile. You never pipe up on which proposals are clearly trash and you know it, because you fear your own funding and this weakness has led Dash to the ‘winter’ James mentions below.
Shame.
Thanks,
Drako
To be fair, it seems many MNO’s don’t seem to know the difference between General Manager and CEO, and why these are different. Kooks have no clue.
You are actually quite a good general manager from what I have seen although out of your depth. You (and Dash)would benefit from you stepping up and firing the dead wood, I’d give you some respect just for doing that.
You are however an utterly ineffectual CEO. You probably agree with me at this point. MNO’s please try to understand the difference, it’s critically important.
It is the difference between a visionary innovator and just a corporate manager. It is the reason that Evolution/Platform or whatever it is now is a diluted version of what it should have been and will not be fit for market, let alone be actually interesting to people (those who aren’t caught up in kooky religion) when it is released.
Thanks,
Drako
You are a liar Ryan. You yourself offered me the position of Head of Strategy, and suggested the salary.
You were blackmailed into pushing me out by Freer and Tungfa, two of the most useless people to have ever been in DCG.
You have demonstrated that you are intrinsically chinless, a liar and a coward.
Good to know finally.
Maybe you will continue to fool MNO’s that you are able to lead this organisation , but their confidence will run out soon enough, although they do seem to have infinite patience.
Drako
There’s a lot that MNO’s should know and that you haven’t been told by DCG.
This is especially in relation to the wasting of two years and a pile of Dash by Andy Freer himself before they ‘gently fired’ him, and as you know the whole Evolution project was reset. He isn’t a conman or scammer - he was just entirely incompetent and the definition of ‘Dunning-Kruger’ - out of his depth and utterly belligerent.
Read also the Evolution Whitepaper (the second version co-authored by Freer) if you want further proof of his incompetence. Compare that directly with the Kuva whitepaper in terms of substance and original thinking.
You might ask other devs in DCG how much they loved working with that clown, and the money wasted. He was the original inspiration for ‘kook’ - later on the Andy Freer caricature in Dash was further cemented by the likes of Valenzuela, Ceti, Gerhard and Macrochip/Basilpop...
The truth will always come out, hopefully it won’t be too late to change things by then :)
Thanks,
Kuva
Incredible that you have piped up!
It is YOU yourself that threw your toys right at the beginning of 2017 when Drako challenged your daft approach to building Evolution.
Your toy-throwing and rage-quit threatening indeed resulted in Ryan and Drako going separate ways, but then everything Drako had told Ryan about you came true, and finally, after YOU wasted two years of DAO money building complete nonsense, they threw you out by way of ‘golden goodbye’. They also had to rebuild ‘Evolution’ basically the whole thing from scratch.
That is why you are no longer employed by DCG and are doing your own thing. FACT - and @DarrenT as per the below, yep you can report that to the network ;)
According to Drako, Ryan was too lily-livered apparently to fire Andy, because Ryan though that Andy had Evolution ‘in his head’. So what you got instead was two more years of fluff from Andy Freer. Fact-check that with Ryan Taylor, and also, consider why he was pushed out ‘so gently’ by DCG. Good riddance, and MNO’s if you ever want to give a completely incompetent and reactive nincompoop money, Andy Freer is your man. He has an active proposal running right now even...
Please check out the quality of his Git contributions, if you ever wish to know what kind of ‘basic’ developer Andy Freer is.
Drako and Andy never got along, because Andy became terrified of the - proven valid - critique of Andy’s approach, refused to meet with him and started with the quit-threats instead like a toddler. Fact check that with Ryan Taylor himself if you wish.
Thanks,
Kuva
Last post from me -
Actually, for the facts - Evan IS a genius or at least was, and if you met him today you would know what went wrong.
Andy was always a buffoon, and he did make a complete mess of Evolution.
‘Word to the wise’ - don’t give Andy Freer any money you want to see burned for nothing. And don’t work for Andy either - he’s impossible to work for which is why he has been unemployed for so long. Fact check that.
Thanks,
Drako
Being willing to try and accept failure, especially when you're in over your head is an ADMIRABLE quality, it should NOT be derided by the likes of you "superior people" who never make mistakes and always get everything right the first time.
"And don’t work for Andy either - he’s impossible to work for which is why he has been unemployed for so long. Fact check that."
This is exactly what I meant above, when you're not NEUTRAL you come up with all kinds of idiocy to justify your position. The above doesn't logically follow. Being hard to work for is COMPLETELY unrelated to being unemployed. People who are "hard to work for" are called BOSSES, THEY DON'T NEED JOBS!
Get your head OUT OF YOUR ASS DRAKO and get back to work! You could get this proposal passed if you STOPPED LEAVING YOURSELF OPEN by giving into your egotistical desire to 'strike back'. You're just contributing more confusion and chaos which will not only not see your proposal funded, but will also negatively affect other DAOs just trying to work for adoption. If you REALLY care about the network, then knock it OFF!
What do you call a person who is hard to work for, and not a boss or entrepreneur? Also caused no end of disruption in DCG.
You call them unemployable, like Freer. Just the facts - no hard feelings.
Can you really say that andy is not a boss or entreprenuer when he's been running a successful proposal from a decentralized autonomous organization to provide bounties for DAPI? I'd say that "paying developers to solve bug bounties for Dash" counts as both being a boss and an entreprenuer, wouldn't you?
https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/fgyut6/dash_bounty_board_operational_bounties_for_dash/
https://trello.com/b/FPJzDcok/dash-bounty-board
7 months. At least 11 devs. How can you call all this work a failure?
1. eCommerce sample http://checkout.dashevo.io/
2. Rust Dapi Bindings (allowing any rust app to communicate with the DAPI, enabling memory and typesafe applications to seamlessly communicate, store and retrieve data from the network)
3. A privateMessaging DAPP
4. A Dash Platform IFPS library allowing the following to happen:
"(saving the IPFS hash, that links to the data, on DP - like ETH is doing it). This is supposed to be for big static data files."
That was just 4 random bounties I looked at. There's plenty more. Oh, did I mention that there are now **23** different developers working on them? So we have a completely DIFFERENT development team than the core team, led by andyfreer developing DAPPs on the network for the last 7 months, and DRAKO WANTS TO PRETEND THIS ISN'T HAPPENING.
There are bug-bounties there for evolution, but that's not even close to the bulk of the bounties, I misspoke and was INCORRECT when I referred to them that way. Of course, Drako couldn't help but pounce on that to make his point/forward his agenda (as evidenced by the fact that he didn't even check the board, and didn't correct my error).
This is why neutrality is so powerful, I don't even feel embarassed for having changed my vote. Neutrality brought me to the best conclusion naturally. Drako has an AGENDA which means he's BIASED. Which means we shouldn't believe anything he says.
Might I add, a completely different PAID team of developers than core. Decentralized. Bitcoin Cash, which is WAY larger than us by marketcap is going to SPLIT because they can't do what we have been doing for the last 7 months (and then some).
Again, focusing on the "negatives" and completely ignoring the positives is the behavior of TROLLS!
You appear to be correct, there are a few interesting projects there, not just bug bounties.
Maybe Andy has grown up a bit who knows? Will give him the benefit of the doubt, regardless of the fact that my experience with him was not positive, and indeed he was fired from DCG for his incompetence at the time.
People change. I’ve not spoken to him for years, so maybe I’m wrong and he’s doing well - power to him.
Thanks,
Drako
Ryan, from 02/2017 to 01/2018 - and sure, let’s pretend you didn’t pay my expenses either.
You are a coward and a liar.
Deny it, and I I will take it that you then consent to me sharing emails and screenshots from our communications over the course of that year, including those between myself and other Core team members.
I dare you to allow me to expose your incompetence.
Thanks,
Drako
This is not how consent works.
The facts is that Ryan Taylor is a liar, if he wants to he can confirm all of what I’m saying. If he dares step one foot towards lying again it’s fair game.
I’m happy to change that to “Ryan please confirm all of what Drako has posted, on your next post here rather than deny it or I will do it for you with your own messages”.
C’mon Ryan don’t be a coward, for once actually step up. It can’t be that hard to let MNO’s know that Drako has not lied to them, indeed ALL of what Drako says and claims is FACT. Let’s do this, it’s been a long time coming.
Thanks,
Drako
There was no DCG and you weren’t the CEO at that time either, so it’s all a moot point...
For anyone that wants all the Dash strategy documentation including he did including Drako’s work as sitting Head of Strategy for pre DCG (including the work on ‘networked liquidity’ which eventually DCG stole the brand name from Disney since nobody seems to have an original brain cell in their head there) just PM Drako on Discord.
While you are here, care to confirm the rest of what Was said about Andy or is this careful little post as far as you’ll go?
Drako also says he has been asking you to resign as CEO from almost a year ago, is this true? He provides some reasons - is it ok for us to share those reasons, including the personal communications with you? If you confirm, he will do so, and we will share with the community.
Thanks,
Drako
Let’s get this show going properly, please consent to the release of private comms with me.
You have my full consent to release any and all of my private
comms with you.
When you are ready, let’s get this show on the road, and prove with actual evidence that you are a liar and coward, to MNO’s and kooks - don’t worry they will likely ignore it all anyway...
Thanks,
Drako
Because it helps to make a few things visible. Ryan Taylor is a liar - kooks are all the same, scammers and conmen all over the DAO. Best proposal imo is Ash's right now - seems to be delivering something at least. But millions have been wasted for nothing - so yep kooks have all but completely wrecked Dash.
Might as well list the worst of the kooks - let me know if anyone else should be on the list - in no particular order, here you all go;
Joel Valenzuela - "TheDesertLynx"
Macrochip/Basilpop
Kanuuker
Mastermined (Brian)
TroyDash
TaoOfSatoshi (Sorry Tao, but you know it)
Andy Freer - "AndyFreer"
Phillip Englehorn "Tungfa"
Quantumexplorer
DACH team (esp. "Essra")
Hilawe
Demo
Dancefordistribution
Agnew Pickens
BigRCandda
Macno (Fabio)
Sidem
Ceti
Gerhard
Probably a few more there and definitely a few more in DCG that Ryan can't bring himself to fire - some are halfway so didn't make the cut :) let me know who I missed...
Thanks,
Drako
You are of the most belligerent and idiotic five-star kooks involved in Dash.
Thanks,
Drako
Two things:
1. Stop saying the word free.. it’s not free. You are asking us to pay for it. It even sounds scammy!
2. If everyone around you is the problem, then maybe you're the problem? You would never admit that though... you have an extraordinary talent for shapeshifting reality and creating your own truth.
Good luck
I’d rather see actual reality and call it out no matter the consequences, than be a brown nose agree-bot kook clown like you, who seems to blindly follow whatever religion others around you find agreeable. But that’s just me.
Mike, it’s pretty clear - you don’t have an original brain cell in your head. Maybe you should become a ‘trust protector’ for the DIF or something, and then make a fruit salad of it all.
Ah that’s right - you’ve done that already.
Thanks,
Drako
Focus on the goal, not the name/recognition. You can fight scammers without becoming one yourself (i.e. misrepresenting the accomplishments of other teams to make a point).
1. It’s free, you aren’t paying for anything and it would be delivered to your doorstep. Or maybe in your kook brain ‘nothing is free’...
2. Not everyone is the problem, just the hardcore kook monothinkers, like yourself.
Unfortunately as Undercurrent laments above, your kooky ilk is crawling all over Dash. And it hasn’t done it much good, has it? You have ground the rough diamond of Dash almost into dust.
How’s that for truth?
Thanks,
Drako
2. No, you are the problem, the network has repeatedly made that clear. You wont accept it though (presumably because you are a psychopath). You’ve suffered multiple heavy proposal defeats, and two embarrassingly poor results in the trust and DIF elections:
https://dashwatchbeta.org/elections?tab=results&election=DIF2019
https://dashwatchbeta.org/elections?tab=results&election=TPE2019
How’s that for truth?
1. It's free to MNO's who vote yes, should the proposal pass. If KUVA Utils are worth nothing to you, then don't buy them.
2. "The network" to you is your band of kooks, which you circle jerk and brown nose endlessly ad nauseum. I have my supporters, you have yours.
That said, your brown-nosing up to the most ridiculous kooks and general triggered brainlessness is what is truly embarrasing, coupled with the clear inability for you to think for yourself, as demonstrated by your insipid ineffectiveness in the DIF. Good luck with that lol.
That is the real cringe for me, and also for anyone else with a brain.
Thanks,
Drako
That growth is thanks to the work of teams in Venezuela, Brazil, Colombia, Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica, and more. All countries with more than 1000 active android wallet users in the last 30 days, Jamaica is in fact #2 after venezuela and AHEAD of the U.S. and EU where most of your 'kooks list' operate. Don't ignore this growth. Don't slander the teams behind it by pretending it doesn't exist. Give credit where credit is due and stop being an asshole.
Fair call. There seems to be some traction in Jamaica which is interesting and if so, then well done to the teams working things - it would be great to know what some of the effective strategies have been in those jurisdictions. I think VZ is still a red herring but let's see where that ends up in a year or so.
Thank you for listing a few of the other kooks as well. Yes Solarguy was definitely full kook, don't know how I missed that.
Thanks,
Drako
KICK-OFF PHASE
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1.1 - Vague product/business idea.
1.2 - No roadmap, no business plan, just promises of MOAR ADOPTION if you "support us."
1.3 - DAO swallows bait and funding begins.
1.4 - A Dash Discord owner gets roped in to help censor any criticism of the project.
"PROGRESS" PHASE
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2.1 - Videos of demos.
2.2 - Actual demos.
2.3 - Excuses, new promises (no users yet).
2.4 - More videos of demos and enhanced demos (no users yet).
2.5 - More excuses and more new promises (no users yet).
TERMINATION PHASE
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3.1 - Divisive, drawn out community brawl over project performance.
3.2 - Project is permanently defunded.
C’mon you can do better than that.
I thought you had a few more nodes, that way we could get to make it a Μόλων Λαβέ ...
Unfortunately the mob supporting you dropped back down to 296 votes again :(
C’mon kooks This Is Sparta! Let’s get it to 300!
Drako
Could someone with a functioning and rational brain read the proposal and let’s discuss it’s real merits (thanks Seascape for starting this by making a few positive and correct observations...).
A sensible debate of the merits (and disadvantages) of this proposal is preferable to soaking in the kooky ideology that somehow it’s a bad thing to have a FREE credit card delivered to your doorstep by a crack team that you can spend your Dash with and which, optionally, gives MORE freedom to MNO’s, by being able to be be topped up with a proposal vote, making everyone really think about where they vote to put their money. Is this legitimately genius idea of James’ actually a bad thing? ;)
Pearls before kooks huh, or are there actually intelligent people in the room who dare to properly debate this without foaming into a pile of quivering lemmings kooking out together in one gigantic monothink circle jerk where the moongasm they are waiting for seems infinitely delayed?
Thanks,
Drako
Among proof of work, mineable coins DASH IS AND HAS REMAINED NUMBER NINE FOR YEARS! Stop pretending like the market is both irrational enough to undervalue Dash completely like this, but also savvy and smart enough to care about the details of our proposals, development and internal workings. Its either one or the other pal.
If they cared enough to know about evolution and its delays they would KNOW that Dash is the coin that is the FURTHEST ALONG! They would know that Dash is the coin with the best privacy (even though its "not a privacy coin"), the fastest transactions, THE ONLY SCALABLE COIN (masternodes means the more users the more incentive to run a masternode which prevents network throughput issues that arise from nodes dropping from the network), the only coin with self-funding and governance, etc.
Ok? If they knew enough to sell over evolution then THEY WOULDN'T SELL AT ALL because Dash is the only coin that can do what every coin WANTS TO DO but lacks the design to do. A design, btw, that we have DCG to thank for. Again you miss this in your screed against them. Which makes you look irrational/kooky yourself and TAKES AWAY FROM THE STRENGTH OF YOUR ARGUMENT. You see how you work against yourself?
Actually DCG for the millions spent has done maybe 1/10th of what they should have. And it is due to ineffectual leadership and insipid vision from Ryan Taylor as well as being hamstrung by the OG kooks in there like Tungfa, Weicko...even Ryan knows they are dead wood but doesn't have the willpower or courage to do anything about it.
Also, as far as Dash as a 'scalable coin' goes - yes the concept has real potential. This is why I was so keen on Dash - it was a diamond in the rough. Other projects wish they had considered masternodes and governance. But that was 2014/2015 and half a decade is a lifetime of time wasted in the crypto space. The wallet is an ugly mess, not fit for a contemporary market. There isn't anything actually exciting that makes sense which DCG is pushing. Fastpass Network is somewhat interesting right? Well get this - it was 2017 that I worked with Ryan on that concept (I came up with the name and concept of Networked Liquidity from his arbitrage balancer concept). It's now 3 years later that its coming out with a name stolen from Disney- 3 YEARS!!! Chainlocks? I had to argue together WITH MY ENTIRE TEAM in Scottsdale against Ryan Taylor in order to get it through his thick skull that chained instantsend was necessary. That is what led to Chainlocks, and the implementation was a clever innovation from Codablock, there's no doubt about that.
I'm not kidding. The forehead slapping from all this proper incompetence is almost nonstop, with flashes of 'potential'. You are correct - I'm definitely playing a part in the kook polarisation - but sometimes there isn't another option but an all-out war against the clowns, and yes, even against the 'communist party' like insipid leadership of DCG...
That said, if anyone has another option that gets results, I am definitely keen to hear it. We still support Dash in the Kuvacash wallet - fully integrated to all services. If it gets down to #40+ on CMC and the liqidity falls again, nobody in their right mind would support it anymore. How can this be stopped, that's all I'd like to see. This proposal is a far second to all of that.
Thanks,
Drako
I doubt it. There's really no way to properly quantify that. I mean, DCG has been developing cutting edge, breakthrough tech for years. Dash was the first privacy coin (or at least one of the first). Certainly the first privacy coin with decentralized, non custodial coinjoin, and it had it FOR YEARS! The first AND STILL only pow coin with instant transactions, again for years! So how can you say they "misspent" the money? What could they have done differently/better in your opinion?
What features could they have "deployed more quickly" or more efficiently? I'm having a hard time following your reasoning for attacking them. Again, it just seems personal to me.
>Other projects wish they had considered masternodes and governance. But that was 2014/2015
See, this is where you go off the rails. Dude open your eyes, NOTHING HAS CHANGED! XMR, BCH, BTC, LTC, Nano ALL OF THEM **STILL WISH** THEY HAD MASTERNODES AND GOVERANCE. That problem was NEVER solved outside of Dash, what the HELL are you talking about? BCH is about to split FOR THE THIRD TIME because they lack what Dash innovated and STILL has. You're just IGNORING THAT which weakens your argument considerably.
>The wallet is an ugly mess
Don't know why you think that. It seems to be a matter of taste. Functionally, there's no issue with it that I can see and you're not being specific, so again I have to mark this as done to NIH (not invented here) syndrome. "Oh, yeah this wallet sucks, but if you use MY WALLET" Drako, you are creating a competing app, THAT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST for you to speak on another wallet.
>There isn't anything actually exciting that makes sense which DCG is pushing.
Evolution doesn't excite you? DAPI doesn't excite you? Rust bindings for DAPI doesn't excite you?? Well just what the hell do you find exciting? I'm sorry if "this thing that nobody else ever dreamed of doing in modern history that's really hard and expensive to do otherwise" isn't "exciting enough" for you. It works for me though. Before Dash you couldn't even talk about private financials or instant transactions. Yet you're attacking the very team that gave us that. And oh goody you have a competing product to theirs. What a coincidence...
> It's now 3 years later that its coming out with a name stolen from Disney- 3 YEARS!!!
This is a TERRIBLE CRITICISM. And it just shows what I'm talking about. It would be much better for you to LEAVE ALL THIS EGO BASED OUTSIDE BASHING ALONE! Its tarnishing your proposal by making you seem irrational! FAST PASS COULDN'TVE CAME OUT 3 YEARS AGO BECAUSE DASH DIDN'T HAVE INSTANT TRANSACTIONS BY DEFAULT 3 YEARS AGO. You are not making any sense. Dash WAS NOT READY for fast pass 3 years ago.
The fact that you had to convince ryan of something doesn't mean anything! He's the CEO of the core team responsible for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of value, YOU BET YOUR ASS he's not going to just "jump on that". Also, DASH WASN'T READY for CHAINLOCKS back then either! Don't you remember all the UPDATES that had to be done in order to get that to work? The protocol changes? So that wouldn'tve been ready 3 years ago either. A lot had to be developed to get us to the point we are now, AND YOU'RE JUST IGNORING THAT!
>but sometimes there isn't another option
Well this time there is. Stop attacking others as a way to gain clout with the network. Gain clout from your own merits ONLY. Calling out scammers is a valuable thing and I'm glad you've done it in the past. But you are too aggressive and you have gotten to used to the pleasure of victory! Humility prevents you from going down this path and SAVES YOU FROM BURNING YOUR OWN ASS!
>like insipid leadership of DCG
Recognize that not everyone in the network sees it that way, with evidence. I have provided evidence that DCG is the best, most performant core team in crypto. I have provided evidence that Dash's current strength and daily global transactional usage is directly related to DCG's central efforts. You have provided NO EVIDENCE to the contrary of equal weight, so I judge this comment to be more bias from your side.
> If it gets down to #40+ on CMC and the liqidity falls again, nobody in their right mind would support it anymore.
Mktcap is not a valid metric of growth or failure. @$6 or $60, Dash is better than every coin above it. Not because we have hope, but because we are the only coin with the infrastructure, services and network to service the adoption that we've grown. You tarnish your proposal when you fail to acknowledge this, hypocritically doing to others what is being done to you. That will remove legitimacy from your cause and only make the infighting worse. Is that really what you want?
That being said, I will give my view on this new Kuva proposal. My comments however are also relevant for any other project in the future that is attempting to gain money from the DAO on a fiat and crypto payment card like the one being proposed here.
Firstly, I can buy practically anything I want directly with crypto now. I can buy any flight, hotel accommodation, or product in any Amazon store in the world. Most of the tech services I need also accept direct crypto payments now.
If I can't buy directly in crypto then I can easily get all the cash I need by converting Dash to bitcoin and then from localbitcoin to cash which I can pick up locally from any location in the world without using a fiat bank.
Therefore I do not see the need for such a fiat / crypto card. But even if this card was given to me for free I would not want to use it. Why? These are my reasons for now wanting a fiat / crypto card:
1. I want crypto to become a primary source of payments without having to go through any fiat intermediates. In order to achieve this I believe we need to start buying everything we can directly with crypto without involving any fiat intermediaries. I can pretty much do that now without too much trouble.
2. I want to pay in crypto because this encourages merchants to accept direct crypto payments as an option. The more sales they get directly in crypto the more they will want to accept crypto as a direct payment method.
3. I don't want to support the old fiat system by using my crypto. I don't want the old fiat system to benefit from crypto.
A few years ago perhaps such a crypto / fiat card might have been useful but today it looks old and outdated. I don't see it of value now. If anything it could potentially slow down the uptake of merchants accepting direct crypto only payments.
We need to spend crypto directly without any fiat involvement, without any bank involvement. I believe this to be the best way now to get widespread adoption. If you believe in crypto being the future then we need to make it happen. That means everyone who holds crypto should be attempting to spend it directly on a daily basis without a fiat intermediate. By doing this we will encourage merchants to accept crypto directly.
One final note. Reading through the comments in this proposal and in other Kuva proposals it appears that the Kuva project causes division within the DASH project and it appears to me that the Kuva projects are not that welcome any more. That is just my personal opinion however the votes for this proposal will tell us definitively if my assertion is correct. Another "no" vote for a Kuva related project should be a clear signal to the Kuva team that perhaps its time to consider moving on with delivering on the Million dollars plus investment we have already made in the Kuva project. The Kuva team should also be grateful for the money that we have already given to them instead of wanting more.
The very nature of a decentralized organization requires underlying harmony to thrive and grow. Yes, there can be heated debates and differences of opinion, however underneath all of that there needs to be a feeling that we are all on the same side and working to the same goal. Unfortunately, the Kuva project has proven to cause a significant reduction in that harmony and this is not just a one off event. It is consistent. The DAO should consider voting "no" to any project that causes consistent and long term divisions in a decentralized project.
Voting "no" to this and all Kuva projects going forward. Good luck.
But that's not how this is supposed to work! We're not supposed to "prejudge" proposals unless they are fraudulent, written by proven scammers! Kuvacash has scammed no one. They are only guilty of attacking the egos of those they consider scammers. This battle was necessary because these individuals, like DeepBlue, use MALICIOUS FAVORITISM to hide their spiteful and egotistical personal battle against proposals they don't like.
The DAO was NOT meant to function like this. Just like BTC assumes that miners are going to be economically invested in not screwing up the network, so too does the DAO assume that THE MASTERNODES ARE NOT GOING TO GO AGAINST THE BEST INTEREST OF THE NETWORK.
But we have here, members like DeepBlue, lysergic, geert, macno, using egotistical arguments and hypocrisy to justify NOT GROWING DASH. Once you get past all the ego, arguments and bullshit, that's what it boils down to.
These guys are trying to justify WHY THEY'RE STALLING OUR GROWTH. They did it TWO YEARS AGO AND THEY'RE STILL DOING IT.
Deepblue - premium kooks.
Look at this kook massage, from one full kook monothinker to another. +1
You guys should get together for a kiss on the lips, or at least a foot massage ;)
Thanks,
Drako
Maybe it is easier where you live, but where I am (in the Caribbean) you can't buy, spend or exchange crypto anywhere. You say blithely that you can buy most things you want either directly with crypto (lucky you) or through Amazon, or:
"If I can't buy directly in crypto then I can easily get all the cash I need by converting Dash to bitcoin and then from localbitcoin to cash which I can pick up locally from any location in the world without using a fiat bank"
You say that but you apparently haven't tried it recently. I challenge you to do it! From my experience LocalBitcoins no longer allow person to person cash transactions and only allow people to transact online. Where I am I can't even do it via LocalBitoins and a bank because there are no buyers even for BTC.
Right now in much of the world the most practical way to spend crytpo routinely is using a bank card - whether you like it or not. Regardless of where you stand on Drako or this particular proposal, we should not lose sight of the fact that an integrated bank card would be extremely beneficial to Dash as a bridge to the legacy system.
You were summarily destroyed back in the day on Dashcentral by Drako and Triptolemoose for your extreme kook views, I read the screenshots, obviously still triggered from years ago, like a toddler.
You list your reasons for ‘now wanting a fiat / crypto card’ and that Freudian slip tells us all we need to know.
Yes, you will need a card to spend your crypto properly and wherever you like, it’s the way of the world at this point. In 5-10 years you can try buy with crypto directly from any merchants but for now, cards is the bridge and it’s a useful one. Only kooks or those caught up in the monothink party narrative think otherwise.
Appealing to the party line isn’t worth anything to anyone, and you are free to cut off your nose to spite your face if you want to vote for less freedom and choice in the meantime, while secretly wanting the card ;)
Thanks,
Kuva
Code is law.
At the very least, if this proposal wins the first stage, it will certainly give DCG something to think about when they are next considering not providing accountability for yet another delay to a product that has no market fit (Evolution, or Platform or whatever is next..). And it will definitely have MNO’s thinking whether to apply their money to the next laughable proposal, or put that money right into their pocket! Which is a long-needed change in the dynamics of the Dash DAO. Have a proper think.
This false narrative of ‘votes for sale’ is more monothink from the same old kooks who manipulate you into voting for their god awful proposals, don’t fall for it Masternube.
Thanks,
Kuva
Tell your ‘friend’ the following -
Kuva Glide isn’t going to be launched, as was discussed this was a trial, and it isn’t going to be suitable for Zimbabwe. Part of our innovation program involves running trials like this - it’s a core part of the business culture at Kuva.
The Kuva City Air has however progressed to final stages, and we have investors for 12M USD of the 28M required, as well as lined up vendor financing for the remainder (conditional on the remaining council permissions/final concession agreement ratifications etc). So yes, Kuva City Air will eventually go ahead if all goes well, although takes time for public infrastructure projects to progress, and there are some risks it stalls - that is just the nature of such a project and we’re being honest with this.
That said, this cards proposal is a completely separate initiative, only for the Kuvacash wallet, and as such has its own totally separate finances and investment.
Vote YES for Phase One if you want an exclusive card delivered to your doorstep, which gives you even more freedom to control where DAO spending goes, including into your pocket.
World first if MNO’s vote to make it happen.
Thanks,
Kuva
Desperation. Meltdown. Denial.
The funny thing is you were right about all those other proposals, but you are one of the worst snakes of them all. Good riddance!
Sorry I missed putting you on the kook list.
You’re on it, don’t worry - a prime example of an arse-kissing brain-dead kook, toeing the party line and brown-nosing hard since day one.
Mike, it’s people like you in Dash that work hard to ensure it falls onto the shitcoin pile. Shame on you.
Thanks,
Drako
An odd way to say thank you but ok. Yes Drako was right, but it also seems you have, like many other MNO’s and community members, been taken in by the lies and slander perpetuated by the actual monothinkers and DAO scammers who had clear conflicts of interest yet were the most noisy against Drako.
Be specific about WHY you feel Drako, who I assume you are talking about, is a ‘snake’ - because there is more evidence he actually did everything in his power to help Dash and is somewhat of a hero. The Dash logo you now know and love is down to his team’s efforts. The ‘Chainlocks’ innovation eventuated due to pressure on Ryan by Drako and his team (he brought them to Scottsdale to argue the case for chained Instantsend, until Ryan finally understood). Even the concept of ‘Fastpass’ as a network (networked liquidity was its original name) was his, which he worked on with Ryan. Isn’t that crazy? But all true, no matter what the kooks tell you - reach out to Ryan for comment, if you can get comment ;)
He acted with honesty and integrity in the face of endless slander, libel and continuing lies - all perpetuated by those he sought to defund.
My other question is this; there something Drako did that upset you other than ‘attack’ proposals which have all, to the very last one, proven to be the valueless garbage and in some cases complete scams that he exposed them as?
Don’t you find it ironic that Kuva is the one and only project that has grown to demonstrate delivery of a working and incredible product, which is now in market? That the kooks said it had no value, but then watched it raise a pile of funds, more than double what was raised from the DAO from contributors and investors? Who’s advice are you listening to without actually stepping back and thinking with your own brain, observing and then making up your own mind.
Because shouldn’t you be angry at the people who give you platitudes and take your MNO budget to lubricate their pockets and deliver nothing of value?
Please be as articulate as you can and rational if you would like to argue this - if you think about it, you might realise the kooks, the very ones with the conflict of interest, have put more influence in your head than you might think. It’s hard to avoid a saturation of nonsense and lies in your face day in day out without believing it.
Don’t believe the false narrative. Watch the demo, and see what you think. Drako didn’t hold back, and it is to Dash’s benefit.
Vote YES, get the exclusive payments card in your hand and see what the kooks are trying to hold back from you getting - more freedom, more choice and less valueless proposals!
Thanks,
Kuva
Thanks for the logo. And for pushing ChainLocks. And for Fastpass if you were involved in that too. Kuva wallet looks great but has no real adoption. Your problem is you have no ethics. It is plain as day in this proposal. qwizzie and Troy are right on the money.
For more fact, which you can ACTUALLY check on Google Play - Kuvacash is just coming out of pilot and now have 1000+ downloads of the wallet last week. Have Dashwatch check it maybe :P
I am curious if you can articulate what isn’t ethical about something that Team Kuva or Drako has done, something which isn’t a false kooky narrative peddled endlessly by the likes of Thedesertlynx, Macrochip and Mastermined or Fabio or Sidem or Agnew or Walter or anyone else who was involved in proposals Drako trashed (Ben Swann, DFN, DACH, Dash News et al) and which were subsequently and thankfully defunded? (you are welcome!).
Can you imagine why those proposal owners and associates might be the true liars, slanderers and conmen here, and attempting to drag the rest of the community on? And you’re now talking to us about ‘ethics’?
Happy to discuss.
Because I think we’re getting to the bottom of something here. Just imagine, the lights come on for a few more people about why Dash is dragged down alongside every other shitcoin, instead of claiming it’s place in the sun.
And why the only project on the DAO that delivered anything of value is disparaged by these conmen and scammers who have never delivered true lasting value or IP to the network.
Think about the damage to the Dash project that those true conmen have done, the kickbacks, the narrative, the attack on anything other than the monothink that lines their pockets and then let’s discuss ‘ethics’...
Thanks,
Kuva
And good luck figuring out the truth ok, it’s not hard to see but sometimes it’s hard to ‘get’ to.
Thanks,
Kuva
Finally someone is using their brain, and understands that this project has a team with real nerve.
As you are in Canada, vote YES and you’ll get an amazing card. Then you will understand what the kooks are trying to hold back from you.
Thanks,
Kuva
It’s ‘impudent’ not ‘imputent’. You really can’t spell in English, or understand sarcasm? And it’s coming from you after attempting a racist jibe at Drako. It’s all too ironic!
Perhaps you’re a fake Canadian...lol!
If you act like an unthinking and senile fool, toeing the same old same party line and expect a miracle to save Dash, then you cannot ‘expect’ respect to be given to you by those who are working to actually make a difference and see what’s going on.
On a serious note, luckily persistent kooks like you aren’t aren’t representative of the MNO community members we are trying to engage (well I hope not anyway!)
We’re trying to engage MNO’s who have seen what your communist-like thinking has done to the DAO and are looking for a change in the dynamic that has led to its demise.
Maybe the lights come on for you eventually, but by that time it will probably be too late. Meantime you can sit back and watch; wait until you see what’s coming ;)
Thanks,
Team Kuva
What is clear is how your ‘party line’ communist talk is so automatic so as to be parody. I’m not the only one that sees this by the way.
The Dash community isn’t yours, nor is it mine.
The DAO belongs to the MNO’s - whom neither of us represent in total, so you can quit with your sanctimonious and arrogant position of implying you are a representative. If that was the case Dash would be properly doomed.
Code is law, and we’re here for the long term. Like I said, just wait and see what’s coming...
Thanks,
Kuva
That MNO’s own the DAO is precisely what we said - please re-read the post without kooking out. You are also making our point that kooks don’t read anything and just follow the next lemming when they vote.
As you can see, unless you aren’t actually reading Kuva’s responses, Drako is no longer representing Dash for Kuva, but the rest of us are fully aligned with his prior approach, given that he was right with what he fought fearlessly pushed for on every single point - defunding the trash proposals, fixing the Dash logo, and of course the damage that the kooks have done to the Dash DAO.
You have been programmed by those ‘party members’ in Dash that are actually scared of him, and they have manipulated you into toeing the party line, clear as day.
Use your own brain when voting, this is all that Drako wanted people to do in the first place and maybe Dash wouldn’t have gotten itself into such a mess.
Thanks,
Kuva
Unless you get James to make a video ALONE, addressing the issues that have been brought up in this comment section, there is no reason not to think you are still Drako and a filthy liar.
Drako has not lied about anything to the DAO, unless you want to enlighten us on something? Otherwise you are peddling the same ‘communist party’ monothink false narrative of the kooks, or are probably full kook yourself.
I may make a video on my own, and it will address a few things that likely given your obvious leanings you do not have the intellectual capacity or business thinking to comprehend.
For now we’re collecting votes ;)
Thanks,
Kuva
Garbage in, garbage out. You reap what you sow. If you don't like "reactivity" then stop dishing it out.
Have fun collecting those votes. I am sure it will be enlightening how much of your previous support has vanished.
Why you continue to insist playing the arrogant and sanctimonious false ‘representative of the Dash Community’ is beyond us. People in the Dash community with a brain are reading your posts and cringing.
The entire of Team Kuva team is behind Drako, obviously because he knows how to deliver what you can see with your own eyes, an incredible product, unless you are blinded with the kook fog, which seems to be the case
Thanks,
Kuva
Can't wait to vote down your sinking ship when i get back in town. DeepBlues take on you and this project was bang on, move on. Bye-Bye.
If you have the capacity to think clearly, you will see that this give MORE choice not less to MNO's. It will also be delivered flawlessly and you know it. Watch the demo, understand what we have built and don't vote like a communist :).
Get a FREE CARD to your doorstep, and one that is fully integrated with Kuvacash - on top of this we have a pile of benefits to the exclusive cardholders coming, which you do not get for a NO vote, not ever...that's life. Get a part of the project that the DAO funded DIRECTLY, with free KUVA Utils in your Kuvacash wallet. If you think we aren't here for the long game, think again. It's been 3 years, and we keep on delivering, this time to YOU the MNO - right to your doorstep with something you can use daily and you will love.
Voting is free and code is law - I'll say it again - choose an amazing and exclusive product that you helped deliver, the DAO Founders' Exclusive international payments card - delivered by a team that you have seen deliver, or choose same old same, and get the same old same - ie nothing...
Thanks,
Kuva
If you want to offer benefits, then solicit private investment, not Dash DAO funds.
There are benefits to YES votes and only YES votes, that is correct.
How it benefits the Dash network is completely obvious - an exclusive card to all MNO's that they can actually use and show to people, available for FREE and another way to spend your Dash at 49 Million retailers worldwide - and that is INTERESTING to people you show.
A massive extension to the reach of Dash, and because of our African program, we will issue this card where no-one else will, and there's Dash, right in the wallet - actually useful.
Code is law, Troy - if you want to operate a communist agenda, and tow the 'party line' which is the unfortunate state of much of the Dash community - that is your own issue.
This project is individually empowering to all MNO's and is something they will be proud of. Vote YES and get yourself a FREE card - then understand what the kook agenda had attempted to hold back form you, what the power of the DAO can do - and maybe the lights will come on for you as well! Get yourself some free cryptocurrency from one of the most interesting and business-focussed projects in crypto - our 10,000 KUVA Giveaway, to you - the MNO's!
Or vote no, and vote instead for the same old same laughable proposals, where the party line get to line their pockets for peddling hopium and get the same old same - ie nothing!
Wake up - see the team that is delivering this and what they created. Vote YES and be a part of the most interesting and talked about project in Dash, and for this genius project - because you can, and you get something for it, for once :)
Thanks,
Kuva
By the way, who am I speaking to - is this Drako or James or someone else?
If you think that this proposal is 'taxing the network' for benefitting YES voters then why not also point to proposals that are delivering no value and are taxing the appalled NO voters...
This proposal both gives back to the MNO community something of true value, and gives more choice and therefore more FREEDOM to MNOs that don't vote like communists.
Have a think and you will vote YES to getting something valuable and lasting this time for your vote, delivered by a team that brought you the wallet you're more than impressed with.
Or vote NO and vote for some other pizza meetup instead..or some other nonsense proposal that you wouldn't fund with your own money, with no accountability and no long term value to you or the network. See our point?
Thanks,
Drako
The fact that you actually thought this approach was a good idea demonstrates to me just how out of touch you have been and continue to be with MNO voters and the prevailing goals of the DAO. I hope your card initiative is successful. Others have tried and failed to accomplish this in the past. It could end up being a very positive thing. But blatantly offering kickbacks in exchange for yes votes is a serious problem, and it will be better for the DAO is we squash this type of thinking early and often to establish the precedent that we don't accept bribes.
I would suggest that you follow your own advice, step back and let James exclusively deal with the MNOs. But at this point it would be too little, too late.
Code is law, let people vote their way out of having this as a freedom and benefit delivered to their doorstep, it’s fine with us either way, and the benefit goes both ways.
If you wish to speak about squashing thinking and original ideas without understanding the deeper implications of such a proposal and the true freedom it brings - FOR FREE - to MNO’s then it tells us more about the kind of monothink that got Dash into the long winter.
Time for your monothink to cease, Troy - thinking like a communist and toeing the party line isn’t helping Dash. How about a new approach that gets you real benefit, for the long term...
At least with this proposal MNO’s will start to think about where they put their hard earned hodl risk - in their pockets or towards every cockamime idiot project the kooks shill while high on hopium...or to something that they can hold in their hand and use everyday.
Thanks,
Kuva
Another communist monothinker toeing the party line...sigh.
It's for real, and you would love it but I fear you are lost in some kind of senility, groupthink and perceived 'conflict of interest' with your moderation position on Dash News.
We're more than happy to address your concerns, if you can indeed articulate them. We give you a FREE and exclusive international payments card, and free money should the majority vote that way.
What have you given the community lately other than bad/terrible advice and moderation?
Thanks.
Kuva
Respectfully, DFN paid you off for your ‘work’ in helping censor any critics of it Agnew’.
Yes, it is you who has lined his pockets with scraps of DFN funds, like plenty of others, for delivering nothing of lasting value, and assisting keeping the monothink communist culture of the kooks. It is me who helped defund the worthless proposal that was DFN and DACH and others supported by DFN. I understand why you might feel bad about this, but wake up. They aren’t paying you off anymore so you can actually vote YES to this proposal and get something tangible this time!
Anyway, one day you will come right and realise the truth and the value of what is being offered here, but we fear you are likely too far gone at this point, so good luck and vote however you like, code is law.
Thanks,
Kuva
Thanks for making our point Agnew. What a shame.
Kuva
Insane it is not.
Controversial? Yes. Kook-frothing? Yes. Genius? Yes.
The most interesting proposal in over a year that’s got (what’s left of) the community engaged a bit again? For sure.
You’re welcome ;)
Thanks,
Drako
Watch the demo and for once don't be foolish. Get a free, exclusive card and the benefits that come with it, including what we have planned for the future...costs you nothing to vote the right way this time.
Thanks,
Kuva
1. A free card, at no cost to MNO’s delivered to their doorstep (nice!)
2. Free money, should you want it (and vote for it), forever, making people think hard about where they vote to put their money (nice!)
3. Guaranteed delivery from Team Kuva that has the most transparency in the DAO and has always delivered (nice!)
So far this is an obvious demonstration of why Dash fell into the doldrums from its prior highs and was bucketed into all the other alts when ‘winter came’. Is it that some MNO’s can’t vote for anything beneficial to them that is perfectly economically natural because of monothink? Is everyone a communist here, or do we have people hanging back ;)
Time will tell, at least it’s interesting to watch. I hope we get the chance to deliver once again for you all!
Team Kuva
* Amount asked for funding too high. Risks of this proposal (once funded) not reaching its objectives also too high
* Drako through his behavor has created severe trust issues with a lot of masternode operators (including me) and Dash community members.
* Kuvacash seems to be in the same position as in 2018 / 2019 : Still looking for launch funding.
* No equity for our DIF.
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/kuvacash-pilot---zimbabwe-uk-and-south-a (May 2019 : Supported by me)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/KUVACASH-NOVEMBER-LAUNCH-FUNDING (October 2018 : Supported by me)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/KuvacashBaseFunding002 (April 2018 : Supported by me)
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/DASHKuvaCashProject (September 2017 : Supported by me)
Maybe you should think more carefully about the fake 'trust issue' with Drako, and the conflict of interest. Everything he has said has come true; the proposals themselves that had little to no value, and have retained basically zero value, while dropping Dash from #4 to #30 on CMC (DACH, Dash Force, Dash News, Ben Swann, giving some random MMA guy $500k) and for which he was persecuted and slandered...IT'S ALL COME TRUE. He was persecuted and slandered endlessly for this, and continues to be slandered, by those people who cast their 'NO' votes in order to line their own pockets. What the kooks have told you is a lie.
Our team have also delivered EVERYTHING we said we would and more - with use of funds attested by Dashwatch, and all deliverables completed. We have also raised a total of ~$3.2 Million from other contributors and investors, because the project has value. It is self-sustaining now, but we do need to raise when a bit of extra capital is required for initiatives like the card program.
This is a real product, DELIVERED TO YOUR DOORSTEP FOR FREE and will be delivered by the same excellent team that brought you the Kuvacash wallet - take a look at the wallet or at least the demo, it was funded by the DAO, and Kuvacash is the most beautiful and functional wallet that has ever be built from DAO funds. Look at our demo, and you will understand this fact.
This is something with SOLID VALUE to both the Dash ecosystem and MNO's directly. It gives MORE CHOICE AND MORE FREEDOM, not less - don't buy the kook think, vote with your pocket and your mind. YOU GET A CARD, AND YOU CHOOSE IF YOU WANT TO FUND IT OR NOT.
A note on the more 'controvertial' Phase 2. It's totally optional and lets MNO's think whether they want the value of the money THEY generate in their pockets, or sent to some obscure 'investment', or yet another random meetup.
Voting is free and code is law - choose an amazing and exclusive product that you helped deliver, the DAO Founders' Exclusive international payments card - delivered by a team that you have seen deliver, or choose same old same, and get the same old same - ie nothing...
Thanks,
Kuva
https://coinmarketcap.com/coins/ (Bitcoin & Altcoins)
https://coinmarketcap.com/tokens/ (tokens, stablecoins, exchange tokens)
https://coinmarketcap.com/ (coins and tokens)
Comparing 'coins' with 'tokens' is like comparing apples with oranges. Sure you can compare them, but the comparison is pretty much invalidated from the start.
Also using marketcap (supply x price) alone as a tool to rate a cryptocurrency is a bit simple-minded. Specially taking into account how supply plays such a huge role in the marketcap calculation of each crypto project.
Personally i place very little value at marketcap / market ranking drop, i rather focus on price performance among Altcoins, which is pretty much the same over the years for most Altcoins (-85% to -95% down from ATH price).
Link : https://imgur.com/btvjBSh
Which indicates to me that this downtrend of Dash is part of a much broader market down trend for Altcoins in general, and not due to ineffective Dash budget spending.
I agree with TroyDash that this whole budget proposal reeks of an attempt to bribe masternode operators to vote yes for personal gains, then an attempt to have us vote yes for the benefit it could give to the Dash network as a whole (which was the focus point of your previous budget proposals)
Which is why i decided to vote NO.
All good, it’s your vote and code is law ;)
Thanks,
Kuva
Don’t let the naysayers and kooks try to convince you otherwise. They were wrong before and tried to bring down the Kuva project using their position in the community to slander and disparage - but we delivered anyway, and flawlessly.
Watch the demo and don’t let anyone stop you from getting a one-of-a-kind first-issue DAO Founders International Payments Card FOR FREE. Spend your Dash and get access to Kuvacash’s advanced wallet. Know that you are helping to expand Dash’s coverage into new markets, and extending the network reach. Get KUVA tokens FOR FREE and have a stake in kNET which powers Kuvacash!
But keep it quiet from the kooks!
Alternatively vote NO, and get nothing delivered, and vote for the usual instead - more meet-ups and Hopium, and nothing to show anyone :-/
It’s a no-brainer. Vote YEs and watch us deliver this amazing product.
Thanks,
Kuva